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== Supraliminal ==
 
== Supraliminal ==
 
Can someone please explain the difference between subliminal and supraliminal. I understand that Supraliminal audios are messages played above the normal hearing frequencies. Are these messages more effective than subliminal sounds ? <small>—Preceding [[Deep web:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.39.98.9|82.39.98.9]] ([[User talk:82.39.98.9|talk]]) 14:10, August 28, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
Can someone please explain the difference between subliminal and supraliminal. I understand that Supraliminal audios are messages played above the normal hearing frequencies. Are these messages more effective than subliminal sounds ? <small>—Preceding [[Deep web:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.39.98.9|82.39.98.9]] ([[User talk:82.39.98.9|talk]]) 14:10, August 28, 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Supraliminal[edit]

Can someone please explain the difference between subliminal and supraliminal. I understand that Supraliminal audios are messages played above the normal hearing frequencies. Are these messages more effective than subliminal sounds ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.98.9 (talk) 14:10, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Supraliminal, literally "above" "threshold", meaning you can consciously perceive it. Effective? Think of the difference between: the lyrics in the song, or the undetectable nuances when played backwards. I can answer your question if it were about visual stimuli, audio no. ChyranandChloe (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

"Good Teenagers, Take off your clothes" in Aladdin and "SEX" in Lion King?[edit]

It's not mentioned in the article, but I think that they are the most famous subliminal messages in the history of subliminal messages.222.127.90.56 (talk) 02:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

2009 reorganization[edit]

Subliminal messages has been reorganized into two major sections: Scientific studies, History. Sections: "Instances", "Allegations", and "Fictional references" have been merged into "History" which now lists these items in chronological order. Two articles have been created so that there is no loss in information. Not all instances of subliminal messages are notable (WP:N) to the development of the history of subliminal messages; therefore Instances of subliminal message has been created. Most fictional references are trivial (WP:TRIVIA), do not develop the article, they however may remain of interest to our readers, therefore Subliminal messages in popular culture has been created. ChyranandChloe (talk) 21:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
This all looks fine to me. I understand that under WP:SS we spin off articles when the main article becomes too long. However, one minor criticism I have is that I wasn't expecting to find the sub-articles under "History". It just seemed a bit odd place to put them. I was expecting to see a "See also" section instead of, or in addition to, what is there.
My main concern is that when the rabid deletionists strict deletionists come around in the future and see the sub-articles, it won't be clear to them within the sub-articles that they are spin-offs of the main article, and under WP:SS aren't required to meet as high a standard of notability as the main article. This problem I've seen a lot of within the scope of my edits, and I wish there were some more clear way of noting the sub-articles are spin-offs of the main article. A hatnote perhaps? (Something along the lines "The main article for this subject is Subliminal message".) I'm not quite sure yet how to deal with the first impression of a strict deletionist who sees the sub-article and immediately tries to get it deleted on the higher notability basis of a stand-alone article. —Aladdin Sane (talk) 22:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
You can usually tell what the main article is from the title. For example, Instances of subliminal message and Subliminal messages in popular culture both include "Subliminal message". A second method is to describe where the sub-article stands in the lead. Strict deletionists usually attack spins offs of spin offs of popular culture. For example judging from your edit history, specific character histories of G'Kar of List of Babylon 5 characters of Babylon 5. When topics reach this far in-universe (WP:IN-U) notability becomes less justifiable as a prudent topic in the real world. From what I've experienced, this shouldn't be an issue here. If you're concerned that a strict deletionist would not be able to find the main article, my first concern is how the strict deletionist got adminship. ChyranandChloe (talk) 23:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I wouldnt call my self a deltionist, but After reading Instances of subliminal message I am wondering why that article exists. Basically everything mentioned in that article is mentioned here, and anything not is unreferenced. I dont promote deltion, but in a case like that I think a merger discussion may be approporate if sourcing is not done on these articles after they are split off from the main one. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:56, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Confused[edit]

"Some businesses claim improving an individual's memory or self-esteem while offering subliminal self-help tapes. These tapes did not produce an effect beyond a placebo, or an individual's expectation of their effectiveness." This sounds like it's trying to say that no tapes exist that can produce a non-placebo effect. If that's what's being said, that's not supported by anything that's been stated or cited. If that's not what's being said, it needs to be reworded. then again, several parts ought to be rewritten in a way that was easier to follow. . . (by someone who understands this stuff =) ) 131.151.90.207 (talk) 10:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The citation was broken, you can see it here. 198.60.5.253 (talk) 18:45, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

"Please Kill Me" broccoli art example...[edit]

I question the relevance of this example when paired with the text (conflicting info bolded) "This picture is an example of subliminal stimuli in images. Note the text that says "Please Kill Me" at the top. This may be intended to cause someone to commit suicide." If you view the image, its description reads "Made entirely by me in GIMP. I was inspired by the "Picture of the Day" from yesterday. You can see the broccoli from it in the background. All of the rest was painted/edited by me." If the person who created this image is the same person who linked it to the article, how is there any question as to whether the image "may be intended to cause someone to commit suicide." Wouldn't the person who created the image know for sure? If the image was created in GIMP, I have to question whether or not it could actually be considered subliminal stimuli. I would classify the image as "an example of subliminal stimuli" and nothing more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.90.20 (talk) 19:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Misleading topic?[edit]

As a psychologist working on visual awareness and unconscious perception, I'm not comfortable with the fact that the page only refers to subliminal messaging. The term "subliminal" originally applies to any stimulus that is beneath some "threshold" of perception, and thus is a technical term from perceptual psychophysics. Moreover, most research on unconscious perception has nothing to do with subliminal advertising. As an example, check out the page we made on Response Priming.

I believe the page should branch up into "unconscious perception" and "subliminal advertising". I'm reluctant to make the change myself because it would be such a major intrusion into a well-organized page. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silent Abstraction (talkcontribs) 21:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing the Subliminal Stiumili Article[edit]

Priming[edit]

In order to study the effects of subliminal stimuli, researchers will often prime the participants with specific stimuli and determine if those stimuli elicit different responses. One study was interested in fear stimuli compared to other negative emotional stimuli. This study found that when participants were primed with fear stimuli compared to happy stimuli, the target was rated as more unpleasant by participants primed with the fear stimuli. Also, when primed with fear and disgust subliminal stimuli, the participants rated the target as being less genuine. This study found significant differences in the types of ratings based on the type of subliminal stimuli the participants were primed with. [1].

Another study exhibited similar findings in that cognitive functions can be affected by subliminal cognitive effects, especially due to emotion. When primed with a subliminal angry face, participants appraised negative events as due to other people, and when primed with a sad face, participants appraised the same events as due to the situation.[2]

A third study looked at whether or not subliminal exposure to sexual stimuli would affect men and women in the same way. Results indicate that both men and women had an increase in sex-related thoughts due to the stimuli. However, the subliminal sexual prime had no effect on men in their report of sexual arousal, whereas women reported lower levels of sexual arousal.[3]

Subliminal processing in specific populations:[edit]

There is a large amount of research on the differences between certain populations in their processing of subliminal stimuli. Research involving schizophrenics suggests that although the conscious processing of schizophrenics is impaired, the subliminal processing of schizophrenic patients remains intact.[4] Research on participants with tobacco addiction indicates that increased subliminal processing of smoking-related stimuli occurs when participants are experiencing tobacco deprivation.[5]

StephanieGerow (talk) 16:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

SarahMDavis (talk) 16:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

References[edit]

  1. ^ Lee, Su Young (2011). "Differential priming effects for subliminal fear and disgust facial expressions". Attention, Perception, & Psychophysics. 2. 73: 473–481. doi:10.3758/s13414-010-0032-3. Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ Yang, Zixu (2010). "The effects of subliminal anger and sadness primes on agency appraisals". Emotion. 6. 10: 915–922. doi:10.1037/a0020306. Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  3. ^ Gillath, Omry (2007). "Does subliminal exposure to sexual stimuli have the same effects on men and women?". Journal of Sex Research. 2. 44: 111–121. Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  4. ^ Del Cul, Antoine (2006). "Preserved subliminal processing and impaired conscious access in schizophrenia". Archives of General Psychiatry. 12. 63: 1313–1323. doi:10.1001/archpsyc.63.12.1313. Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  5. ^ Leventhal, Adam M. (2008). "Subliminal processing of smoking-related and affective stimuli in tobacco addiction". Experimental and Clinical Psychopharmacology. 4. 16: 301–312. doi:10.1037/a0012640. Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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Fincher's use of "subliminal" messaging[edit]

I draw your attention to this line in the article. "In David Fincher's film Seven there is a subliminal image of Gwyneth Paltrow, which is shown a fraction of a second before John Doe (played by Kevin Spacey) is shot by David Mills (played by Brad Pitt).[44] Fincher also used subliminal images in his film Fight Club.[45]" While these films may contain subliminal messages, i don't know, the image of Gwyneth's head in a box is on the border between subliminal and conscious, and the penis in Fight Club is definitely conscious. With Seven, The first time i saw it, I knew what I had seen. The scene is built up to over the course of the entire movie, and you are flashed a shot of what's in the box after a tense, drawn-out scene where John Doe and the audience are wondering what's in the box. The scene you are watching is orangey, with a horizon, and the shot you are shown is white. I really doubt this falls into the category of subliminal, as the observant audience member will pick it up, and it's subliminal impact would be irrelevant to the unobservant audience members who are given enough information to understand what has happened anyway. As for Fight Club, you watch Tyler Durdan cutting a shot of a penis into a kids movie, and then at the end of the movie there is the same shot of a penis. HOWEVER, these images are on screen for about a second! gmipTalk 10:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The Fight Club "subliminal message" at least is a deliberate callback to the idea of subliminal messages, discussed earlier in the movie, not an actual subliminal message. 70.26.152.88 (talk) 00:55, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

However[edit]

Some research has found that subliminal messages do not produce strong or lasting changes in behavior.[2] However, a recent review of functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) studies shows that subliminal stimuli activate specific regions of the brain despite participants being unaware.[3]

The idea of the word "however" is that it's supposed to be used to introduce a contrast or contradiction. "We found low-grade evidence that subliminal stimuli might do something but we don't know what" doesn't contradict the considerable evidence (not "some research") that subliminal messages do not work. 70.26.152.88 (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Moved text[edit]

This paragraph seems relevant to the article, but out of place. Copied here for reference in case anyone wants to think about merging it properly into the article flow:


Kaser, V.A. "The Effects of an Auditory Subliminal Perception Message Upon the Production of Images and Dreams". Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease (1986). Subjects listened to an audio subliminal message. The message was mixed with a regular music recording. Another group of subjects simply listened to the regular music recording without the subliminals. Both groups were asked to create a pre-test drawing before and immediately after the music was played as well as a drawing of any dreams they had the previous night. When the drawings were examined, the effects of the subliminal message could be seen. The drawings of the people who listened to the music with subliminal hidden content contained images relating to the suggestions they were listening to, whereas no correlation could be found with the control group. Kaser concluded that "the unconscious/subconscious mind is able to perceive a recorded verbal message that cannot be consciously heard", proving the existence of subliminal perception.[2]

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference undefined was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Kaser, V.A. "The Effects of an Auditory Subliminal Perception Message Upon the Production of Images and Dreams". Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease (1986).

(end of copied text) MartinPoulter (talk) 14:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

"Pro-gun Ownership"[edit]

I went ahead and added a "citation needed" tag to this one (in the introduction section). I feel like that's really generous, considering the sentence already lists "political" persuasion as a use for subliminal messaging, and there is no reason to take a shot at that particular issue, especially without evidence to back it up. Ok, let's be real, I just left it there so that everyone can see how paranoid and kooky all you gun control hacks really are. :) 174.24.34.47 (talk) 23:35, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Fake news on April 1, proudly presented by Japan Times(!)[edit]

Consumption and high-speed trains

The next generation of high-speed trains in Japan will be supported by magnetic levitation, and travel at speeds up to 600 km per hour. Hence they will attract the attention of bystanders, presenting an opportunity to present visual advertisements if these can be perceived during the very brief passing time of a few seconds. In response to the interest in this potential source of advertising revenue by JR Tokai, which operates shinkansen trains between Tokyo and Shin-Osaka, a research team at Shizuoka University is adapting their new technique called high-speed suggestive particle mapping (HS-SPAM) deploying embedded arrays of microscopic LEDs that flash subliminal messages. The LEDs are cycled every 250 microseconds to enhance visibility, a feature said to be "remarkably effective" for up to 30 text characters. The low-energy LED arrays are applied on the train’s exterior as electrolytic paint, a new technology that is reported to create a moving “huge, powerful projector”. In a test run in April 2015 at 603 km/hour, 18 test subjects were exposed to a subliminal advertisement for an unpopular sports-drink-flavoured Kit Kats, which the subjects were said to enthusiastically purchase in a visit to a convenience store following the exposure.[1] Layzeeboi (talk) 08:31, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Hayashi, Morito (1 April 2017). "Subliminal ads fast-tracked for maglev trains in Japan". The Japan Times Ltd. Retrieved 2 April 2017.