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:Thank you! Yup there's a big of a backlog at UTRS for CU cases. As I'm not CU I can't deal with them. I think it's about 6 or 7 cases outstanding at the moment. {{u|Ponyo}} I do try to do it all by myself {{smiley}}-- [[User:5 albert square|5 albert square]] ([[User talk:5 albert square|talk]]) 22:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 
:Thank you! Yup there's a big of a backlog at UTRS for CU cases. As I'm not CU I can't deal with them. I think it's about 6 or 7 cases outstanding at the moment. {{u|Ponyo}} I do try to do it all by myself {{smiley}}-- [[User:5 albert square|5 albert square]] ([[User talk:5 albert square|talk]]) 22:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::Sorry [[User:5 albert square|5 albert square]], looks like there were no takers. I'll try to handle the the worst of the backlog. For those CUs who are not familiar with reviewing UTRS appeals, you can see the list of open appeals and their status [/wiki/Category:Requests_for_unblock here]. The appeal numbers are clickable and will take you to the specific appeal to review. No log in needed! -- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 17:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::Sorry [[User:5 albert square|5 albert square]], looks like there were no takers. I'll try to handle the the worst of the backlog. For those CUs who are not familiar with reviewing UTRS appeals, you can see the list of open appeals and their status [/wiki/Category:Requests_for_unblock here]. The appeal numbers are clickable and will take you to the specific appeal to review. No log in needed! -- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 17:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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::Update - knocked it down to one outstanding (at least for the moment!). I commented on the one remaining ({{UTRS|28756}}) some time ago; it still needs more eyes.-- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">Jezebel's '''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 18:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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SPI bot not working

Not since yesterday at 12:50. I contacted Amalthea yesterday. I tried to replace the usual table with DeltaQuad's table, but either I did it wrong or DQ's table is not working. Can anything be done?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Bbb23, I saw this and was considering creating my own list. It will take a few days for me to develop it and I could place the list in the userspace of my bot to bypass needing a BRFA for the time being, but it might be worth having a third backup, which I could use if I wanted to. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 16:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I could also try to work on the other tasks, but I would focus on the list first. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 16:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
@Bbb23: DQ's one looks good to me. It was broken because the placeholder template you copied had a stray |} at the end. Fixed that and the transclusion. --qedk (t c) 16:56, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I undid your change. That table is completely out of date, worse than the other.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:59, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that table has not updated since the 20th of January. See Special:History/User:DeltaQuad/SPI case list. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 17:01, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Must be the sock table coronavirus.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:05, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Oops..., missed that. --qedk (t c) 18:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I have just reactivated mine for the time being. I turned it off because I was no longer using it, and the updates seemed useless. That said, I'd be happy to put this and the rest of my bot's basic tasks into a project on labs (for when i'm not around) so that multiple people can start it up and fix issues if needed. Is that something people are interested in? -- Amanda (aka DQ) 18:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
That's a good idea, if there's a resource constraint you could make a webservice to just have one of us start it when the other one stops working. --qedk (t c) 19:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I definitely don't have the time of day to turn it into a webservice. It's a simple handful of python files that is run every 10 minutes for the SPI one. I'll start looking into it, but anyone with enough Linux background and toollabs experience I'd be willing to consider. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:30, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Just noticed a problem with DeltaQuad's table. Deep web:Sockpuppet investigations/Padavalamkuttanpilla has the closed case listed with the wrong date on the table.
The filing time for the closed case listed on the table is the same as the one which is still open. The case with status of clerk request was opened on the 7th of Jan and the ones closed were opened on 14th and 24th of Jan. The closed row for this case on the table should show the 14th of Jan instead of the 7th of Jan. Not a big issue, but it might want to be fixed. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 19:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I am no longer working on the bots unless there are critical errors (as I am trying to keep my leave of absence in tact). I am aware and have been for a long time, it would require a lot of coding changes to adapt for this issue. If you are willing to take a crack at the code, feel free to suggest a fix on Github. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I don't have enough toollabs experience, but if you did host it on toollabs and give me maintainer access, I could fire it up and restart it when required. --qedk (t c) 19:56, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I am working on my own table at User:Dreamy Jazz Bot/spitable, however, there is now a working table so I won't keep it updated for now. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 19:23, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
I wrote a script to match the format of Amalthea's bot's output. Once the normal bot is turned back on, mine will automatically stop editing the case list. ST47 (talk) 00:38, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

About WP:THREESTRIKES

I have noticed that many sockmasters who have had been confirmed to be socking by checkusers twice after the initial indefinite block are not marked as banned on their userpage. WP:THREESTRIKES is the policy on this and it has been around since the March 2018 RfC. How would this apply retrospectively to cases with less than two CU confirmed cases of socking after March 2018, but with more than two CU confirmed cases of socking if you also include before March 2018? Also should all sockmasters who meet WP:THREESTRIKES have their {{sockpuppeteer}} template changed from blocked to banned (with checked=yes if it is not already there)? Is some kind of semi-automated tool / bot task to search / list eligible sockmasters to be banned per WP:THREESTRIKES wanted (a full bot seems too risky, so manually checking the sockmaster's case page seems best)? Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 16:30, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

There is not much of a need, so to say? If any of these editors return, they will probably be found to be meeting 3X and then treated accordingly. A retroactive tagging might help, but depends on the fact if anyone would want to take on such an endavour. Doubt there's a tool for this, though. --qedk (t c) 16:42, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Only the master's tag would be updated, there is no equivalent switch in {{sockpuppet}}. I recall we had a discussion and determined that old sockmasters who would be deemed 3X banned now would not be updated retroactively, because there wouldn't be much point, but personally I do update them if we find them socking again after the 2018 RFC. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't bother because they're literally never going to get unblocked anyway. (I personally find the "three strikes" policy to be unnecessary bureaucracy.) Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:40, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  • I wrote 3X. I think it's useful policy requirement for documenting that any unblock should be sent to AN for review, but yeah, if it's a bunch of vandal accounts/an LTA it doesn't matter. Though, it did have the advantage of getting rid of the previous unnecessary bureaucracy that was common at the time of people regularly requesting a CBAN for their pet LTA at AN. The goal wasn't to tag for sport. The goal was to stop the AN threads and to clarify for admins who work CAT:RFU when taking something to AN was required. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:04, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
    It is quite useful, having closed quite a few of these threads at AN as "Per 3X, already banned", it has saved a lot of community time and headache. --qedk (t c) 08:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

UTRS CU queue

Just wanted to post a wee reminder to CUs that there is a checkuser queue at WP:UTRS that needs monitoring. Often it's requests for IPBE that just need a quick check. Thank you to 5 albert square for all of the work she performs in reviewing requests, but she can't do it all on her own! -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:15, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Yup there's a big of a backlog at UTRS for CU cases. As I'm not CU I can't deal with them. I think it's about 6 or 7 cases outstanding at the moment. Ponyo I do try to do it all by myself Face-smile.svg-- 5 albert square (talk) 22:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry 5 albert square, looks like there were no takers. I'll try to handle the the worst of the backlog. For those CUs who are not familiar with reviewing UTRS appeals, you can see the list of open appeals and their status here. The appeal numbers are clickable and will take you to the specific appeal to review. No log in needed! -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Update - knocked it down to one outstanding (at least for the moment!). I commented on the one remaining (UTRS appeal #28756) some time ago; it still needs more eyes.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 18:08, 14 February 2020 (UTC)