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Images[edit]

Some one may organize images in wiki-commons, and give a link here. --Bhadani 15:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I uploaded a new pano shot this spring: File:Srinagar_pano.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by KennyOMG (talkcontribs) 16:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

POV[edit]

'Currently, the issue of Srinagar, having become an integral part of India, stands settled beyond any doubt, in spite of certain insurgent elements operating from the soil of India, as also from outside the borders of India.'

I think much more needs to be mention about the insurgency... dealing with it in a single sentence is bypassing a major issue, and disrespect for the many people, both soldiers and civilains, who have died due to the conflict there... All I'm askng for is extending the history of the city discribe what happened there in the last 20 years.

Another point is there no mention about the impact of the insurgency on tourism in the history section or about it limping back on growing domestic tourists population.

hydkat 21:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

'truth always triumphs' (written on the Indian national emblem.

Kashmir is disputed and this is acknowledged by UNO.There are 23 resolutions in UNO regarding jammu and kashmir.India is a member of UNO and it was jawaharlal Nehru,first prime minister of india,who took kashmir issue to UNO.Hence India is bound by its commitmnt,it gave to people of J&K.People who talk of integral part theory,should ponder over this fact and talk sensibily.Till now 2 lakh people have died,fighting for the right of self determination.This is the only fact.

Who are these people?[edit]

I have lived my entire life in Srinagar and I have never heard the names of the following people which have been listed as leaders of Srinagar:

  1. Dr Agnishekhar
  2. Dr Ajay Chrangoo
  3. Mr Ashwani Chrangoo
  4. Dr Utpal Kaul
  5. Dr KL Chowdhary

They might have their roots in Srinagar but they sure enough do not qualify to be called "Current leaders of the city"

  1. Dr Shakti Bhan is a doctor, a well know one, but by no way a Leader!

Are people trying to create true and honest information on Srinagar or are we fighting to whom Srinagar belongs. And since Srinagar is the capital of a disputed territory, it should be put as such.

Wullar 12:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not aware of the notability or otherwise of the persons mentioned above. However, I am sure that under international law as recognized and practiced by the civilized comity of nations, insurgent elements do not abrogate the sovereign rights of a sovereign country (read India) over its territories. --Bhadani (talk) 17:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

this area is disputed[edit]

please all indian editors accept that it is administered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nangparbat (talkcontribs) 17:00, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit wars[edit]

I request the registered as well as the anonymous editors to please stop converting this article into a battlefield. Decent discussion shall avoid wastage of time. Please do not fight here. --Bhadani (talk) 16:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

However, Jammu and Kashmir is Indian administered —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.133.29 (talk) 19:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Martyr's Tomb[edit]

Some believe the Martyr's Tomb in Srinagar is the tomb of Jesus Christ. e.g., http://www.spinninglobe.net/jesustombpol.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.159.146.186 (talk) 03:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

See WP:FRINGE. Tgeorgescu (talk) 21:30, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
a bit too late to answer but the urban legend is about Roza Bal and not the martyr's tomb. Mhveinvp (talk) 09:40, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Trekking[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}}

Please replace [[trekking|trekkers]] with [[Backpacking (wilderness)|trekkers]] (because Trekking is a disambiguation page). Thanks. 58.8.9.23 (talk) 10:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done by User:Oniongas - 58.8.9.23 (talk) 17:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Srinagar is NOT the biggest city of India without a Hindu majority.[edit]

By the reference on the page ([1]), Amritsar is a bigger city than Srinagar. Amritsar has a majority of Sikhs (78%) ([2]) making that statement invalid. Please remove it ASAP. --92.9.87.247 (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2010 (UTC) srinagar is not the state of india. srinagar is captial of indian ocupied jammu and kashmir —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.253.23.104 (talk) 08:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC) I don´t quite understand the last point here. The article does not say that Srinagar is a state (or does it?), so I´ll assume you mean to refer to what nation Srinagar belongs to. Did I understand this issue right? Llidstrom (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 117.252.69.156, 21 March 2011[edit]

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Please change " Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna." because of offensive language. 117.252.69.156 (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 19:11, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ashaqhussain, 28 April 2011[edit]

There are some additions that can be made under the heading Education

Ashaqhussain (talk) 17:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. — Bility (talk) 18:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Navkaul, 29 April 2011[edit]

Please remove the quoted text under Culture because the comments translated from Hindi are abusive and insulting.

"Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna."

Navkaul (talk) 06:46, 29 April 2011 (UTC) navkaul

Not done, sorry, "absuve and insulting" aren't good enough reasons to remove it, note WP:NOTCENSORED CTJF83 15:53, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 74.77.135.130, 15 May 2011[edit]

The following line is vulgar .. In the section on culture, last line reads...."Bahut Randiyan hain yahan aur unki chut badi komal hai Land choos choos ke sukha deti hain. Zaroor Chodna." which means there are prostitutes here. it should be deleted.

74.77.135.130 (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 17:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
The last line under heading Culture is vulgar as well as racist and pornographic. Thanks for removing. 74.77.135.130 (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
No problem, next time just call it vandalism ;). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 18:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Lohara dynasty[edit]

Would it be worth inserting something about the 300 year rule of the Lohara dynasty, c. 1000 - 1300 AD/CE. They do not appear to be mentioned at all and while it is true that I am still working on the Lohara article, there is more than enough there to justify something here. Unless, of course, there was more than one Srinagar in Kashmir at that time. - Sitush (talk) 04:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Ashoka[edit]

Please can someone explain to me what the connection is between the etymology of Srinagar and the two possible Ashokas? It simply does not say in the article, and then in the History section there is a totally uncited paragraph that claims the city was founded by someone completely different to these two possibles. This is messy beyond belief.

This link to Kalhana (Aurel Stein's translation) shows Stein's analysis at p. 75, saying that Kalhana believes Asjoka founded the original city close to the present site but unfortunately I cannot determine (due to ignorance, I suspect) which Ashoka he is referring to. In any event, this should be a citation because it is in the critique section rather than the primary source itself. I just don't know which Ashoka to stick the cite next to! Thoughts would be welcomed. - Sitush (talk) 07:31, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Update: page 84 of the same book linked above gives the refoundation detail, so I guess we have a cite. - Sitush (talk) 08:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

File:Srinagar pano.jpg to appear as POTD[edit]

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Srinagar
A panoramic view of Srinagar, the largest city of Jammu and Kashmir, India. Built on both the sides of the Jhelum River, Srinagar is home to over 1.2 million people. It serves as the state's summer capital.Photo: KennyOMG


Indic script[edit]

@Sitush:, can you provide link of page where consensus on use of "official Indian languages" in lead section is accepted? Because if you read WP:INDICSCRIPT they clearly mentions that "There is community consensus that the lead sentence of an article should not contain any regional or Indic language script. It is suggested that IPA be used for help with pronunciation." --Vtk1987 (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I have opened a thread at WT:INB. I know I am right about the exception for placenames but it looks like no-one actually bothered to update the guideline. Hopefully, it will be resolved in the next few hours. - Sitush (talk) 09:20, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
@Sitush:, I will give you two biased example, User Kashmiri removed Marathi text(official language) from article Marathwada(place name) see here, Benagali text from Asansol See here, while he has no problem with Urdu in Srinagar article, he never removes Urdu from this article. See here, he removed Devanagari script from this article which is not official language of Kashmir, it is ok but never tried to remove Urdu text from here citing it as official language of J & K, but I can show he removes Devanagari text from many other articles, though they are Official languages of respective regions. And he is "senior editor", he is "File mover" and "Rollbacker", what you are doing against such biased editors? --Vtk1987 (talk) 10:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
It may not be bias; it could just be a simple misunderstanding. I think we are better waiting for people to comment in the INB thread, sort out the revised wording of the guideline and then take things from there. Kashmiri will have seen your note above and they, too, should take heed of consensus. - Sitush (talk) 10:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
I will add that it is precisely this sort of messing about with scripts that caused the guideline to be introduced in the first place, and it is why I still believe that they are more trouble than they are worth. - Sitush (talk) 10:42, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
If anyone fails to provide consensus link, or it is not get cleared on "India related topic noticeboard" as you said in next few hours, then we have to remove "Urdu" text from lead of this article, as there is clear cut consensus mentioned on WP:INDICSCRIPT. --Vtk1987 (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Not if you are trying to make a point due to Kashmiri's efforts, which is what seems possibly to be the case. Hours, days, makes no odds really. Weeks would be a different matter but I could give you some links right now that show the matter has been discussed and people (escept me!) were generally in favour. All I cannot find is the precise thread where a resolution was determined. - Sitush (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
It is not because of User Kashmiri, you asked me on my talk page to give some example so I given you, there are many other users (like Ankush89) who kept on removing Indic script from "places" articles. If you ask for my opinion, I am in strong support of Keeping Indic script in lead section, either it is in Urdu or Hindi or Bengali. But some users are keep on doing biased editing regarding this "Indic script" policy. Rule should be same for all languages, thats what I want to make a point. --Vtk1987 (talk) 11:10, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Vtk1987: I was in favour of removing Urdu from all India-related articles as per Wikiproject India RFP, but then I was informed by folks from Wikiproject Pakistan that they do not have such restrictions and they routinely keep Urdu names in their articles. Since Srinagar (and all localities in the entire contested area) falls also under Wikiproject Pakistan (whether right or wrong, I don't judge), then I understand Urdu language is bound to stay in ledes. kashmiri TALK 10:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
That's right where an article is of interest to several different projects. The consensus was only of the India project, not site-wide. In this specific case, though, it seems only to be of interest to the India project. Am I missing something? - Sitush (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Well interesting discussion,Kashmiri, Jammu and Kashmir don't comes under Wikiproject Pakistan and article doesn't has such tag. Next time be careful while editing, don't remove Indic script from Place names as some comments of Sitush suggests that consensus has been made on that. And Urdu is also Indian language. Or have you gain consensus from Wikiproject Bangladesh before removing Bengali text from Asansol? --Human3015 15:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Kashmiri, show the clear community consensus on Urdu language not personal discussion. --Vtk1987 (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


"hundreds of thousands"[edit]

Having spent some time there, I'm just curious about how well corroborated this number could be, moreso how one would reliably assess such a number in such a complex municipality.Wikibearwithme (talk) 08:15, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed merge with Sheikh Bagh Cemetery[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
The result of this discussion was to merge DBigXray 06:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

This cemetery fails the notability criteria for WP:NBUILD due to the lack of the significant coverage, that is expected. In such cases merging it with the settlement article is an accepted WP:ATD DBigXray 19:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Support - Agree that it does not merit a stand-alone article. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

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Restoring reverted edits[edit]

My recent edit to this page was reverted as it appeared to the editor to be WP:ADVOCACY of a particular point of view, specifically waste management in Indian cities or by Indian municipalities. I am relatively new to Deep web and see myself as a steward for water, sanitation and solid waste management related content on the site. These are the issues that I intend to write about in a neutral, balanced and informative manner. On reading my edits to the Srinagar page you will find that all of the content is verifiable i.e. it is sourced from reliable and published sources. My writing style, in my opinion, is (1) fact based, (2) neutral in tone without any puffery, contentious labels or unsupported attributions and (3) balanced i.e. holistic and not highlighting fringe views. I do not regard my edits as WP:ADVOCACY and would like to restore the content. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swmwash (talkcontribs)

I took a look at your edit, which can be found here.
The problem with it is that it is too detailed, and doesn't give a high-level picture of what the issues are. Please see WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. I recommend that you work on a one-paragraph summary of the issues, and propose it here for comments. You can also use your sandbox (see HELP:My sandbox) to create drafts and polish them. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:51, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2019[edit]

there are few lines that are discriminatory towards the people of Srinagar and the freedom fighter, Srinagar in not an Indian state and it's an Indian occupied territory under UN Resolution of Kashmir 1948 until the Referendum his held. simply stating Srinagar as Indian state Capital in offensive towards the life sacrificed by the oppressed freedom fighters and the people raped or killed by Indian army, this statement should immediately be changed thank you , from azad jamu kashmir 39.41.129.17 (talk) 05:28, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

How do reliable sources tend to describe Srinagar? I don't see how describing the protests is discriminatory. – Þjarkur (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
I have had this similar discussions on other pages before. from what i understand of the editor, he wants to get Srinagar written as "Indian administered Kashmir which is legally true according to the UN resolution he/she mentioned instead of "Indian state of jammu and kashmir". second, [1] this paragraph mentions "Further massacres in the spring of 1990 in which 51 allegedly unarmed protesters were allegedly killed by Indian security forces in Zakura and Tengpora heightened anti-Indian sentiments in Srinagar". Twice use of allegedly word in the same sentence and the original editor still wants to push "alleged" idea after 28 years. its well documented that they were unarmed civilians but that is not the intention of this sentence. Further, ", such as the 22 August 2008" this sentence mentions protests but fails to mention the shutdown that happened that year due to Amarnath land transfer controversy that year and on that particular date being mentioned, failed to report 21 deaths after police fired on them. this is from the same cite note 24 but was NOT reported on the page. next, Afzal guru is mentioned and the protests during that time but people who were killed by forces during that time were not mentioned[2]. Kashmiri pandits are mentioned in the paragraph and the editor conveniently fails to mention another aspect of the situation where Jagmohan, the then governor was instrumental in sending the kashmiri pandit community out of kashmir valley in the hopes of only targetting muslim majority that would be left behind. this fact is often overlooked but beyond the hohum of the millitants and calls for "nizam -e- mustafa" that indeed took place, violence against the minority was committed no doubt but to squarely lay blaim on the muslim majority for driving the hindu minority out is wrong. [3][4] even if this version of the story is not palatable to the majority of editors here because it does not fit with someone's ideology, there is no reason to not mention it. This is a documented version of events and that needs to be told. Who was right or wrong is not for us editors to decide. we have to mention facts and this version happens to be a fact and one which is well documented. Next, the original editor fails to mention how the present community in kashmir valley at least has been urging the pandit community for a long time but sadly this part is also conveniently left out. [5]

[6][3][7] all of this is just out of a cursory look at the page. I could go on and on. I suggest the issues i took up in support of the editor who made this request be discussed at length and an impartial decision by editors who would not have any previous history of editing on kashmir related pages decide because everyone is influnced by their prejudices one way the other and its only natural. Again, there are far more experienced editors than me. if i was able to dig this much up in half an hour, i suppose there would be more qualified editors to take this forward. Mhveinvp (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2019[edit]

Change "Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir" to "Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir" FixingALie (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Melmann 14:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

INB discussion[edit]

Please see the discussion at the India wikiproject noticeboard aiming to craft standardised neutral ledes for some top-level Kashmir-related article, including possibly this one. Abecedare (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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  2. ^ "Afzal Guru execution prompts clashes, leaving three more dead in Kashmir". Christian Science Monitor. 2013-02-11. ISSN 0882-7729. Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  3. ^ "Forces,Jagmohan,Mufti Sayeed drove Pandits out: Farooq's brother". The Indian Express. 2011-01-10. Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  4. ^ "Jagmohan not Kashmiris Forced Pandits to Migrate: Khan". Kashmir Life. 2015-01-20. Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  5. ^ "Return to Kashmir: APSCC to Pandits". Greater Kashmir. 2015-03-14. Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  6. ^ "AIM President urges Pandits to return". Greater Kashmir. 2015-03-13. Retrieved 2019-05-02.
  7. ^ "Geelani urges migrant Pandits to return to their homes - Kashmir Times". www.kashmirtimes.in. Retrieved 2019-05-02.