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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Contents

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
October 21 1
October 30 1
November 5 1
November 7 1
November 24 1
November 26 1
November 27 2
November 29 1
November 30 1
December 3 3
December 4 2
December 6 2
December 7 1
December 8 2
December 9 1
December 10 1
December 12 1 1
December 13 1 1
December 14 3 1
December 16 4 2
December 17 2
December 18 5 3
December 19 4 2
December 20 3 1
December 21 3 2
December 22 3 2
December 24 4 3
December 25 3 2
December 26 6 5
December 27 6 5
December 28 4 4
December 29 4 4
December 30 1 1
December 31 8 5
January 1 4 4
January 2 10 7
January 3 11 10
January 4 6 5
January 5 13 10
January 6 10 9
January 7 16 9
January 8 7 5
January 9 15 9
January 10 11 8
January 11 14 8
January 12 7 6
January 13 11 8
January 14 13 8
January 15 6 2
January 16 4 1
January 17 10 3
January 18 15 5
January 19 5 2
January 20 6 1
Total 281 164
Last updated 20:31, 20 January 2020 UTC
Current time is 20:54, 20 January 2020 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]

Backlogged?[edit]

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Deep web:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Tulsa Club Building

  • ... that the Tulsa Club Building was abandoned by its original owner in 1994 and remained without legal occupants until 2019, when it was opened after extensive refurbishment as a boutique hotel? (194 characters with spaces)
  • ALT1:... that the Tulsa Club Building suffered four major arson fires in 2010, including three in a two-week period, yet remained strong enough to allow conversion to a hotel instead of demolition? (181 characters with spaces)
  • Reviewed: Glenn Pool Oil Reserve
  • Comment: Article started & saved as User:Bruin2/Tulsa Club Building on October 11, 2019. Moved to main space from Draft:/Tulsa Club Building by Bkissin as Tulsa Club Building on October 21, 2109.

Created by Bruin2 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:03, 26 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Note: nomination had not been transcluded back in October, but the nomination was created in time. Bruin2 will be providing a QPQ over the next few days. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:59, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg it is new enough, and long enough. I would like to see the citations cleaned up using something like {{citenews}}. It needs to be further wikified. I am not thrilled with the current hooks. Some copyediting of the text is needed as well. --evrik (talk) 22:43, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Bruin2 has still not provided a QPQ, one is still needed. As for the hooks, I actually think that ALT1 might be interesting. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:36, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Note to evrik and Narutolovehinata5: a QPQ has been provided above. Bruin2 has not addressed the other issues, but there is no requirement at DYK that citations use "cite news" or any other templates, just that they not be bare URLs, so the article meets the sourcing requirements, even if it would be a nice enhancement to use the templates. The copyedit and additional wikification does need to be attended to, however. (Like Narutolovehinata5, I find ALT1 of sufficient interest. I have adjusted the article so it matches the source on the arson fires, and made sure the hook arson facts were cited at the end of the sentence where they're found.) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:34, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Bruin2 and BlueMoonset: I still think it needs to be further copyedited and wikified. I could live with Alt1. If anyone else wants to pass it, please do. --evrik (talk) 03:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
I'd approve ALT1, but there's a "by whom" template that's currently in the article. That will need to be addressed first before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I've put in a request at the Guild of Copy Editors to have the article copyedited and wikified, as evrik has said the article needs. It will probably be a couple of weeks before the article is worked on. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:28, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30[edit]

Nocturnes (Debussy)

  • ... that the third of three Nocturnes for orchestra by Claude Debussy requires a women's chorus singing like sirens, without words? Source: several

5x expanded by Chuckstreet (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg DYK check says 7X growth within a week of the nomination, complete rewrite as far as I can tell. Hook is ~127 chars and sourced on two different lines. Earwig says it's 78.8% likely a copyvio. This is mostly due to long quotes from the identified URL and some sections that aren't quotes but have similar word choices. I'd suggest the expander/nominator see if they can address this. Nominator took care of QPQ. I personally think the connection between Whistler and the musical work is more interesting than the chorus singing without words, but that's me. dm (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • You meen blocked. Yes. Did you see that Dmadeo and I have a lengthy discussion on my talk. Question is if one of us - or you? - is willing to look for the close paraphrases and fix them. I said I would but not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, blocked, for sockpuppetry. Hower I was quoting dm in this discussion, Debussy Nocturnes DYK nomination. I was trying to bring some discussion here to move this along. --evrik (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
We don't need discussion but someone to fix close paraphrasing. Will you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I had a look. I removed some paraphrasing; the remaining Earwig objections are quotes (presumably in translation from French) of Debussy and assorted commentators, probably not substantial enough to be copyvio, but the fact that the selection of quotes is too similar to that used in the first source may be. HLHJ (talk) 20:45, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, that is a great gift! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Think there are still some places where the wording is too close to that of the source. For example, compare "these three orchestral pieces were giving him even more trouble" with "these three orchestral pieces were giving him more trouble". Nikkimaria (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I have looked through this with earwig, and there still is some close paraphrasing. I had thought it was okay. I'm going to let someone else pass this. --evrik (talk) 19:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Mea culpa; I found two more significant-looking paraphrases amid all the Debussy quotes (including the one about trouble). Rephrased them (see article edit history). If someone with fresh eyes would read the article and then the sources, it might help. As I said, I'm not sure if the quotes are OK; Debussy died over a century ago, but the translator might not have. On Léon Vallas' 1926 biography, we still have seven years to go before he is 70 years dead, and if the translator is Dr. Richard E. Rodda, he is presumably still alive and the translation is in-copyright. A translation was made in in 1933; it's the source for some of the quotes in the article, and as it's PD I replaced another translation from an unknown source with its translation (Rodda seems to use this translation, but does not cite any of his translations). I am unable to trace the source of the translations of the quotations I have tagged with "clarify" tags", and the "that kind of music" and "pretty much finished" ones, which I think are too short to worry about copyvio. I found some verification problems, including problems with the factual accuracy, so I think this needs a fair bit more work. HLHJ (talk) 04:18, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg There are eight "citation needed" templates and six "clarification needed" templates. Until they are dealt with in some manner, this is not ready for a new reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
    I'm aware of the tags but know little about the content, and am off to vacation. Perhaps dubious facts could just be omitted? I saw tags for the tempo markings which would simply be in a score?? I removed a tag for "2 viollins, viola, cello, double bass" which is simply the most conventional string scoring there is. Perhaps others are of the same "quality" ...? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I have reviewed the citations for quotes credited to the O'Brien translation. Several weren't in that source, and I've left notes next to the citation needed tags if I found hints about possible sources. If I can make some time this week I will try to review some more citation needed tags. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I've now reviewed pretty much all the quotes in an attempt to confirm sources. I think I've disentangled the O'Brien translation (1933) of Vallas, and Vallas (1958). Search suggests that "Brook" is the source for several of the quotes, but I don't have access to a print copy; if someone else has access and can double check those citations, that would be great. Also, the Tempo markings are still tagged and need to be confirmed (presumably against an edition of the score such as Herlin 2000.) I updated a couple of things based on recent sources. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 04:46, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The last items that need citations appear to be things from the score. Personally, I don't think we need citations on those lines, but does anyone have the score? --evrik (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
    Everybody. External links, IMSLP. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Cassington Canal

  • ... that despite being less than a mile long, annual revenues of the Cassington Canal equated to roughly £75,000 ($100,000 USD) today? "The length about six furlongs" (Compton, 1976, p 61); ""Cassington Wharf produced receipts of around £800 per annum [pre-1834]" (Hamilton, 1995). Inflation per {{inflation}} and US conversion per {{to USD}}.

Created by MIDI (talk). Self-nominated at 17:00, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. I trust the conversion figures are OK, having never had the opportunity to use these conversion templates. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but thought it was located in the United States due to the conversions. Could you describe the length in meters as in the article? Also, a bit more of its purpose or notability should be added to the lead. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Have expanded the article lead. Not sure what the concern about conversions is—the currency lists GBP first (with USD for context), and for length measurements both the hook and article use imperial (the canal was constructed pre-metric, and imperial remains the de facto standard on the inland waterways of the UK). More than happy to fix anything that needs fixing, but at the moment I'm not sure what needs doing. MIDI (talk) 09:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg At first reading I was confused by the hook. It looks like that the canal earns £75,000 today. It needs a little rewriting to say that in 1834 the canal had revenues of £800 per year (equivalent to £75,000 today). BTW, even in the 19th century, that was not a huge amount of money, so the hook is not all that remarkable... -- P 1 9 9   15:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Alt1 ... that despite being only 1,300 yards long, in the 1830's, the annual revenues of the Cassington Canal were roughly £75,000 in today's money? --evrik (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Shifting away from the finances (and any associated confusion), how's this:
MIDI (talk) 12:45, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
That would work, but I'm not sure it's particularly interesting to a broad audience, and it implies the canal's sole reason for existence was salt trade (the article wording is "including the trade from his salt works"). I think my preference would be a slight tweak on ALT2 to make it a bit more accessible to more readers:
MIDI (talk) 21:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT30: "... that the 1,300-yard (1,200 m) Cassington Canal was privately built to connect theinland waterways network with INSERT INTERESTING ITEM HERE? --
  • I'm not thrilled with the unused potential of a considered loading point ... maybe we can modify #3? --evrik (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
  • My problem with any of the ALT3 variants is the phrase "inland waterways network", which not only needs either a "the" or an "an" before it, but needs to be defined or explained somewhere: the wikilink is not helpful in defining or explaining said network. ALT2 might be more interesting if we knew what the loading point ended up being—that much should really be in the article proper. If one end of the canal is the Thames, mightn't that be something to hang a hook on? BlueMoonset (talk) 16:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I added the missing article. --evrik (talk) 18:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Crikey, the Waterways in the United Kingdom article really does need looking at! I've updated the Cassington Canal article per your suggestion re: ALT 2—the primary loading point was on a different watercourse altogether in the end (the architect decided on a different type of stone than that which occurred near Cassington). Despite this (i.e. despite the fact this canal wasn't used for transporting the stone) I think having the hook include the Houses of Parliament makes it far more engaging for lots of readers; if you think there's something usable in that then that's my preference. I don't think there's anything particularly remarkable about a canal connecting to the Thames, especially this tiny one a long way from London, so I don't think anything hooky could be made by going down that route. MIDI (talk) 19:32, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
I like the original hook, so what about? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:43, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT0a ... that despite the Cassington Canal being less than a mile long, annual revenues in the 1830s were £800 sterling, equating to roughly £75,000 ($100,000 USD) in today's money?
As OP I'm fine with that; I think my preference has shifted to ALT2a or similar but I'm more than happy with this if it is agreed to be suitable! MIDI (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol voting keep.svg Following up on the reviews before, approving variants on ALT0 and ALT2 - note that miles is still the normal measurement of such distances in the UK, which regularly uses imperial. Not a fan of alt3, for complexity and reasons mentioned by others above. Kingsif (talk) 20:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT2a. The hooks that are full of numbers are very hard to read. But the length being given in ALT2a is only mentioned in the lead, without a cite, and other figures for the length are given in the body of the article. Could you use the same figures in the lead, body, and infobox please? Yoninah (talk) 19:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. All fixed to reflect the cited length of 0.75 mi, with a footnote to explain that the survey gave the length as 6 furlongs (i.e. 3/4 mi). MIDI (talk) 20:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Restoring tick per Kingsif's review. Yoninah (talk) 21:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've pulled this back from prep and struck ALT2a, which was promoted. The problem here is that the claim is too overblown: considered a loading point for the stone used is simply not true. Cassington Wharf was listed in the report as a loading point for a completely different stone than was used—the report listed over 100 possible quarries, with no indication of any favorites. As is, the hook is inaccurate, and the Houses of Parliament connection just doesn't work. Pinging MIDI, Kingsif, and Yoninah; I don't know whether any in the ALT0 series might be feasible, or perhaps another approach would be best. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Alt0a should be fine. I only approved the alt2 hooks because the nominator expressed interest in those. I'll check that the inaccuracy isn't in the article, too? Kingsif (talk) 05:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing this out, @BlueMoonset:. I guess I hadn't looked at the wording objectively—I hadn't intended to imply that the canal was considered for use regardless of the stone chosen, but looking back that's what the wording may imply. The article doesn't necessary reflect this ("...was considered as a loading point for Taynton stone if it was to be used in the rebuilding of the Houses of Parliament"). Would something close to the below meet requirements? MIDI (talk) 11:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • 3a and 3b, now cast aside might be good to review again. --evrik (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, evrik, but ALT2b is so iffy as to be un-hooky. I agree that ALTs 3a and 3b deserve a second look. Pinging MIDI and Kingsif for their comments on those hooks. Yoninah (talk) 23:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • 3b seems fine enough, but I might look through the article and see if there's anything else to be spun into a good hook. Kingsif (talk) 23:47, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I am still dubious about the "inland waterways network" phrase in ALTs 3a and 3b, enough so that I earlier reworded it in the article to be more clear, so I think a rewording here would be advisable as well. Perhaps end them with "to the River Thames and the country's network of canals and rivers", or something similar? (Would it be "country's" or "kingdom's"?) Agree that 2b is a non-starter (being of a punnish temperament, I almost wrote "not 2b" instead of "a non-starter"). BlueMoonset (talk) 02:27, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, that was the issue above. On the country/kingdom question, the United Kingdom page says sovereign state. Kingsif (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • It also says, The UK Prime Minister's website has used the phrase "countries within a country" to describe the United Kingdom., so it would seem "country's" is valid. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Rewording ALT3a and ALT3b to avoid "inland waterways network"; I've struck ALT2b and the other hooks, leaving the updated hooks below:
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A review of these would be welcome. —BlueMoonset (talk) 17:45, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • As OP I'd be happy with either of those—3a1 gives a bit more detail (part of the hookiness is how short the canal is/was) but at the expense of the hook perhaps being a bit too long (the irony!). If a reviewing editor doesn't feel that including the length makes the hook to long then that would be my preference, but more than happy with either. MIDI (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 7[edit]

Iris lortetii

Iris lortetii
Iris lortetii

Created by DavidAnstiss (talk). Self-nominated at 23:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Article got shorter by almost 30% in the period before the nomination, and hasn't been made longer since then either. Nor is it new or a Good Article. Also, no QPQ. Too bad, I had a good hook about parts of the plant being toxic to its own germinated embryos. -Freekee (talk) 04:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
@Freekee: Just a comment. Unless I've misread the article history, this article was moved to mainspace on 7 November [[1]]]. It was nominated on 12 November so therefore it would count as "new" as it didn't exist before then. [[2]]. Cowlibob (talk) 22:20, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Damn. I didn't know that was a thing. :-( I think it would be helpful if noms mentioned that sort of thing in their nominations. I suppose I have to do a new QPQ now. -Freekee (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Freekee, as best I can tell, you only have three prior DYK credits (and quite old ones at that), which means while a review from you is always welcome, it is not required until you have five DYK credits, or the nomination would take you over five. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full new review needed. Article was moved to mainspace on November 7, and was therefore only five days old for DYK purposes when it was nominated on November 12, which means it was definitely new enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and Earwig detected no copyright issues. @DavidAnstiss: You have exactly five previous DYKs and this means a QPQ needs to be done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Note: pings would not have gone through without a sig (adding one, though that won't cause belated pings), so repinging Cwmhiraeth and DavidAnstiss to make sure they see this (it may no longer be relevant after nearly two weeks). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:25, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this and started to edit and format references to bring it up to Deep web standards. The article is littered with many cites within the same sentence, and the Google Books refs are not formatted correctly. As I would rather spend my time building prep sets, I stopped right before the Biochemistry section and leave it to the nominator or someone else to clean this up. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:24, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Replacing tick as the article, although annoyingly over-cited, conforms to the DYK rules on citations. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm sorry, there is a huge amount of close paraphrasing from the IUCN source, also from other sources. You must rewrite and re-phrase your source material in your own words.
  • Source: The rhizomes require a hot and dry dormancy period and the plants are sensitive to competition and shading.
  • Article: the rhizomes require a hot and dry dormancy period (after flowering) and the plants are sensitive to competition and shading.
  • Source: Unfortunately, cultivated specimens rarely survive more than two seasons, causing a continuous demand for fresh specimens.
  • Article: Unfortunately, the cultivated specimens rarely survived more than 2 seasons, causing a continuous demand for fresh plants and rhizomes.
  • Source: Once collected extensively for the cut flower industry, it was sold in bunches on the side of the road
  • Article: it was once collected extensively for the cut flower industry and it was sold in bunches on the side of the road.
  • Source: Grazing has up to now aided survival by reducing competition.
  • Article: Grazing by herbivorous mammals has up to now aided survival by reducing competition from other plants.
  • Source: heavy mining during the recent war has meant that the localities mentioned are not accessible
  • Article: heavy mining during the recent war has meant that the localities mentioned are not accessible
  • Yoninah (talk) 22:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
rewrote and re-phrased - those phrases. Had forgot they were not re-written DavidAnstiss (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @DavidAnstiss: thank you. But you have added a sentence fragment and sentences that need copyediting for English grammar. Yoninah (talk) 20:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, I have done a copyedit on all the changes DavidAnstiss made in those recent edits, which I hope has fixed the issues you saw. I think, given the amount of close paraphrasing from before, I'm going to ask Nikkimaria to take a look at the article to be sure no other pockets are hiding, after which perhaps this will be ready to go. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Definitely still seeing instances of too-close paraphrasing here - for example "It was also collected extensively for the cut flower industry and was sold in bunches on the side of the road, plants were also moved to decorate the cemeteries in the area" vs "Once collected extensively for the cut flower industry, it was sold in bunches on the side of the road, plants were also moved to grace the cemetries of the area". Additionally, in my spotchecking I found instances where the material was not supported by the cited source - for example the claim "the cultivated specimens rarely survived more than 2 seasons, causing a continuous demand for fresh plants and rhizomes" does not appear in footnote 19. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Diversity ideologies

  • " ... that diversity ideologies are intended to reduce prejudice but can backfire and promote more hostility instead?" Plaut, V. C.; Thomas, K. M.; Hurd, K.; Romano, C. A. (2018). "Do Color Blindness and Multiculturalism Remedy or Foster Discrimination and Racism?". Current Directions in Psychological Science. 27 (3): 200–206. doi:10.1177/0963721418766068.


Created by Gloriaqiao (talk). Self-nominated at 04:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi evrik, thank you so much for taking the time to review this page and provide feedback! As you suggested, I have replaced bare references on the page with {{cite journal}}, and added external links at the end. I also slightly modified the hook so that the first part (prejudice reduction) is reflected in the lead section and the second part (backfiring) is reflected in the sections of intergroup interactions under colorblindness and majority group resistance under multiculturalism. Gloriaqiao (talk) 09:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New enough, long enough. It passes the earwig test. I added the reference I believe supports your hook. I am asking for someone else to look at this. It is a rather dense and lengthy piece. --evrik (talk) 16:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Ok, I have read the wonderfully open access journal article, and the clearest statement I found that supports the hook is: "Thus, group identification leads to greater threat perception and once threat is perceived it leads to less support for immigrants and ethnic minorities". Seems alright, except throughout the article, there's a large focus on self-identification playing a part, and the role of institutionalized distinctions affecting perceptions of multiculturalism. There are also places where the theory is disputed. However, given the limited authority in the hook with "can", I think it's covered. But there is little discussion in the journal article of prejudice, the first part of the hook, that's not in relation to past studies, unless I'm missing something. Is there another source? Kingsif (talk) 00:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg I'm not sure if we should pass this nomination just yet, Kingsif raised some concerns and they don't appear to have been addressed yet. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:29, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
If the nominator hasn't been around, and this is a very specialist topic, this nomination may have stalled... Kingsif (talk) 16:14, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
It appears that the editor was a student at a class that has already ended, and thus they appear to be unlikely to return to Deep web. I would suggest that an editor who is an expert on the subject matter be consulted and asked if they would be willing to adopt the nomination. Also a courtesy ping to RebeccaGreen who has done a great job at rescuing DYKs in the past. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Also pinging Ian (Wiki Ed), who works with students in courses, to see whether anything can be done on the Wiki Ed end on this nomination (there are other abandoned nominations Wiki Ed has helped with). BlueMoonset (talk) 00:20, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I emailed the instructor and the student who created the article to see if they can stop by and help. I'm not sure if either of them will see the email right away and have time (I believe they're still on winter break), but hopefully they will be able to address things. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I read through this and though the hook was cited, and the issues addressed. It is very dense reading, but I think it can pass. --evrik (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Ian (Wiki Ed): it's been just over a week since your last comment, were you ever able to receive a reply from either the instructor or the student? If no response is ever forthcoming, I would suggest that we should seek expert attention from an editor who is well-versed in this topic, in case they'd want to address the issues. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator had created the article as part of a class which has since ended, and has not edited Deep web since then. Issues remain unaddressed, and requests for adoption by another editor have thus far have not been responded to. Unless another editor decides to adopt this and address the concerns, it is with regret that the nomination is now marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:03, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5 and Kingsif: Hi all, thank you for your attention to and help with this nomination! I am very sorry for my late response to your comments -- I have been traveling recently and have just returned to school. To address the concerns previously mentioned, the journal article indeed did not answer both parts of the hook, so I am proposing to use a different source in support of the nomination, which is a recently published review article that summarizes past research on how diversity ideologies can reduce prejudice in some cases but backfire in others. I would appreciate if any editor could review the nomination again, but please let me know if I should submit a new nomination because the current one is closed. Thank you again! --Gloriaqiao (talk) 07:09, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gloriaqiao: I'm sure we can make it work - what's the other source? Nothing's been added to the article? Kingsif (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The journal article was already cited on the Deep web page (reference #2), and I added its bibliography to the nomination above.--Gloriaqiao (talk) 08:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
As long as the sourcing issues can be addressed then the nomination can still pass. Best of luck that things will turn out well. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
@Gloriaqiao: If you could add the appropriate source to the information in the article that needs it, to support the hook. Kingsif (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg As the nominator has now responded, I'm replacing the closure tick with a more suitable one to prevent this from being closed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26[edit]

Subduction tectonics of the Philippines

  • ... that the Palawan Microcontinental Block which includes Palawan and Mindanao Islands, is colliding with the Philippine Mobile Belt? "Indenter-tectonics in the Philippines: Example from the Palawan Microcontinental Block - Philippine Mobile Belt Collision". Resource Geology. 55 (3): 189–198 [3]

Moved to mainspace by LkwkarenHKU (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 23:47, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'll be claiming this for review and hope to finish within the next few days, but for now, I was wondering if a better hook could be presented here. Right now, it's a little dry and basically discusses a fact instead of highlighting something interesting about the topic. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg There is still an unresolved deletion nomination of the lead image. This DN needs to close before hook can be promoted. -- P 1 9 9   16:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I think this can go forward without the image. --evrik (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I propose Alt1 and Alt2 which may not be so dry. On the topic of the image we are not using it in DYK, and I argue that it is not an infringement. I don't think the nominator looked at the images involved. Just confused the credit. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:14, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
The issue now is that ALT1 and ALT2 sound a bit too technical. Maybe the wording could be revised to make them more layman-friendly? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Should we explain what ophiolite means in the hook? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:51, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Since ophiolite is linked in the hooks, it can be optional. The issue for me here is more that mentioning that these belts exist or that they're getting younger isn't really eye-catching and still feels dry. I think it might be a better idea to try a hook that doesn't involve the ophiolite stuff as it just might be too technical. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
It sounds okay, but it's unspectacular. Perhaps we can try something as to how the plate tectonics are a factor as to why the region has many volcanoes? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Do the microcontinents also have more hooky names, like "Palawia"? We could probably drop "in a process called subduction". Or describe it:
(I do think we need to qualify the hazard; parts of Yemen are a lot less safe...) HLHJ (talk) 04:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
I think that the alt4-6 would be OK factually, but the reviewer will have to figure out where the article supports those statements! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:17, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT5 and ALT6 appear to be mentioned in the lede (with citations, although they seem to be paywalled for me), so it might be good enough for DYK purposes. Considering current events, the timing of this nomination is probably proper. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Not just yet, I was only responding to Graeme's comments about where those ALTs were supported. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Note scale. You must be breathing the 2020 Taal Volcano eruption, Narutolovehinata5, when you can't see it; hope it's not too unpleasant, and best wishes for your wellbeing. HLHJ (talk) 19:11, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @HLHJ: I'm in Manila right now and won't come home until the weekend, so I was able to avoid the worst. It was really scary though since I could see the plume from my house, and the expressways were full of ash. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Nice timing, I hope you've dodged it all. A pyrocumulus punching through the stratopause is spectacular, but from a caldera diameter away... Having your house closed should have reduced the amount of nasties settling inside, too, and the ash corrosion to your cloth, mild steel, and such. HLHJ (talk) 04:03, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • When CTRL+F-ing, it seems the first ref for the hook (in the lead of the article) only says "All of these trenches are recognized as earthquake generation regions and are natural hazards to the country," and the second ref doesn't use the word "hazard" or "danger" and upon reading doesn't mention potential risks at all   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:37, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

Widener University Commonwealth Law School

Widener University Commonwealth Law School
Widener University Commonwealth Law School

Created by MVaughanK (talk). Self-nominated at 19:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Neither of these proposed hooks is interesting or unusual. Information in the hooks needs to be in the nominated article. Information in the nominated article has to be supported by an inline citation. buidhe 08:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
@MVaughanK: Not involved in this nomination. Courtesy ping to ask nominator to return to this nomination. Cowlibob (talk) 15:13, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
@Buidhe and Cowlibob: The nominator hasn't been active on-Wiki in several weeks, and apart from a couple of edits around December 10 has mostly been inactive since the day of the nomination. If this is to proceed, it may have to do so without them. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:59, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
I think the only hook option I can think of at this point is a variation of ALT1:
ALT1a ... that Don McGahn, who previously served as Donald Trump's White House Counsel, is a Widener University Commonwealth Law School (pictured) alumnus?
I don't think McGahn is well-known outside the US or even outside US politics followers, so connecting to a more well-known name might be a better option at this point. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5, Buidhe, Cowlibob, and Evrik: I have now cited the statement: Special:Permalink/934535294#cite_note-FOX-23MJLTalk 02:10, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT3 and 4 are admittedly not terribly relevant to the article topic; ALT5 seems a bit extraordinary. HLHJ (talk) 19:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
HLHJ, 'ALT5 is ok, but it needs an inline citation in the article. buidhe 19:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Women in law in the United Kingdom

Created by GiantSnowman (talk). Self-nominated at 08:26, 1 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Superseding the hold; there have been no edits by nominator GiantSnowman since the issues were first raised on the DYK talk page. According to the thread there, the article mentions English women in law without addressing ones in the rest of the United Kingdom, which runs right against WP:DYKSG#D7: Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected. Completely omitting three of four countries comes under this, and I imagine it will be significant work to cover them in similar depth to England. As it stands, the article is a rather arbitrary collection of women and dates and facts and one-sentence paragraphs (over half of which start "In 19xx"); it could use more organization and more narrative. It needs significant work if this nomination is to be viable. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29[edit]

SS Etruria

Bow of the Etruria
Bow of the Etruria

Created/expanded by GreatLakesShips (talk). Nominated by GreatLakesShips (talk) at 11:57, 1 December 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg I think QPQ is not required because user has less than five DYKs, am I correct? I prefer the original hook. HerkusMonte (talk) 13:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this to an image slot, but ALT0 reads like a statistic, not a hook. Perhaps the hooks could be combined for hookiness, or another hook fact could be used? Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I was just reading through the article, and during the Aftermath section I realized that terms like "guilty" and "concluded" were being used in the article even though this wasn't the court's verdict, I decided to look into the sources, and found a very close correspondence between the article text and the third source, "National Register of Historic Places Registration Form". There needs to be a complete revision of the non-quoted text so it is not overly closely paraphrased, but in a new wording. I'm not sure why periods rather than commas are used to denote thousands in the dollar amounts, but the oddity of the numbers (the three figures do not add up the the total loss, which is less than the value of the ship alone) should have been noted, and other sourcing sought. (Source 14 has the number $283,189.81, which is $300.00 under the total of the three figures given, rather than the $238,189.91 figure in Source 3, clearly the result of some very careless typing/transcribing, along with "affects" for "effects", etc.) BlueMoonset (talk) 22:41, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 30[edit]

Julia Bauer

  • Reviewed: Diocalandra frumenti
  • Comment: She is small, so can convince in roles that others could not tackle. Much more could be said, such as that the Forest Bird is normally not seen at all, that Lulu is often required to use speaking voice, and that the 12-year old is subjected to exorcism. Try if you like.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg It seems like the hook is not what the article says. For example, the hook says that she portrayed Lulu like a piece (work) of art, implying a supreme artistic performance, while the article says that the portrayal was like something akin to an art work, as opposed to real life. This is a subtle but significant difference. The part about the Forest Bird is not clear, and in general I think the hook is not well-worded—it takes a few reads to understand what it's actually saying. However, beyond the wording and sources, I think quoting (or paraphrasing) reviews is not something that should be done for DYK. Reviews such as this one include words to avoid and might therefore not be considered neutral per DYK guidelines. DYKs are more about facts, so I would suggest to use a completely different hook. Other requirements seem generally OK, as far as I can tell. —Ynhockey (Talk) 21:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
How does "piece of art" imply her artistry? Can you word it better? We could drop Lulu (but she is relatively well known), or drop the "art"-thing. English is not my first language, help is welcome. We could stick with the roles which are unusual enough, but the way she does them is much more lively than that would be. Many critics wrote about about the bird-like movements, and I saw them myself, - it's not pov, and normally you don't see that character not at all. - Not many adult singers can play a 12-year-old convincingly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
If a source can be found on what her year of birth is, I think that it might be a good idea to try a hook about her, as an adult, playing a 12-year old. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:01, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Traditionally, some opera singers don't want to give away their year of birth. There's no doubt that she is adult. We had one such hook like it, see Talk:Anne Sharp. The Forest Bird, however, is more recent, and covered in more sources, and more unusual, - that you see the creature at all, I mean. In most stagings, you just hear a voice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

U.S. presidential impeachment

Created by Deisenbe (talk) and Arglebargle79 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi Deisenbe. Symbol possible vote.svg On first look this doesn't seem like it has enough prose characters. I'm only seeing about 520 characters of readable prose, which excludes the quote and the bullet lists. Even if the quote and bullet lists were converted into paragraphs, this only appears to have 1,000 characters, but the quotes and bullet lists are not eligible. In order for this to be eligible, you'd need to (1) add 1,000 more prose characters (to the paragraphs, not to any bullet lists) or (2) convert the bullet lists into paragraph and add about 800 more prose characters. epicgenius (talk) 03:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Furthermore, this appears to have some unreferenced bullet points as well - these will have to be fixed. epicgenius (talk) 03:44, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Not involved in this nomination, just a courtesy ping. Article has been expanded to be 5x on 6 December. Cowlibob (talk) 12:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: Thanks. I've done a full review now. (Also, it makes sense to credit @Arglebargle79: on this as well, since they provided most of the expansion.) Deisenbe, if you or Arglebargle79 can resolve the issues below, that would be great. epicgenius (talk) 13:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - I don't see a specific source saying this.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 13:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

    • ALT6: ... that fifteen U.S. presidents have been subject to demands to be impeached, but only three have been impeached?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The article has now been heavily referenced. It needs more copyediting. I don't think any of the first five hooks are up to snuff. --evrik (talk) 08:17, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg No point in calling for a reviewer while the article has a copyedit template on it; the article cannot be approved until a copyedit has been completed. Putting this on hold until a copyedit is completed; the nominators Deisenbe and/or Arglebargle79 may wish to request a copyedit at the Guild of Copy Editors Request page; lead time on requests is fairly short at the moment, especially with a new GOCE drive starting on January 1. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It looks like the tags have been removed. --evrik (talk) 16:31, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The tags were removed on a technicality, since the article is now at the GOCE Requests page, which requires the regular copyedit template to be removed. However, the copyedit is still needed, so I'm superseding the call for a new reviewer until the requested copyedit is complete (the request currently the oldest unclaimed one, though articles are not always edited in order). BlueMoonset (talk) 01:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm happy to report that the GOCE copyedit has been completed, and the copy editor went above and beyond by also finding inline source citations for a number of "citation needed" templates. However, four of these still remain, and will need to be sourced: Deisenbe and/or Arglebargle79, please take care of these as soon as possible, and report back here. Once they have all been addressed, the review here can resume, and I'd imagine it will conclude in short order. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:21, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The Country Without a Post Office

  • Reviewed: Susmita Mohanty
  • Comment: Still looking for better hooks; maybe an image too.

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 11:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @DiplomatTesterMan: There are a lot of hook options here...I'll come around to that in a minute. This is new enough and long enough, QPQ pending. I don't see any textual issues. As to the hooks...
  • ALT0: The abbreviation JNU is likely not recognizable enough for readers outside of India (I know I had to click the link).
  • ALT1: I've changed a couple of prepositions. I do worry it doesn't connect to the poem connection enough. That said, I think it's the best option of these. (Also, "accused" has one S.)
  • ALT2: This just doesn't...read right to me.
  • ALT3: Sounds repetitive.
  • ALT4: You kind of have to know James Merrill to get this one.
  • ALT5: Not very interesting; many literary works are entered into congressional records and similar.
  • If there's a better hook that's recognizable to international readers and is focused on the poem collection, it may be better than ALT1, but that's the only hook I like right now. Ping me when a QPQ has been done. Raymie (tc) 18:22, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: QPQ added. DTM (talk) 09:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Approved for ALT1. Raymie (tc) 22:55, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but ALT1 is too long and really isn't about the subject. The article also needs copyediting for English grammar. Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • You make a fair point on the hook. Yoninah, thoughts? Hopefully DTM can do more copyediting; these Indian English articles are definitely a bit of an issue for me to appropriately edit. Raymie (tc) 00:59, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that "The Country Without a Post Office" describes Kashmir as "a land of doomed addresses" in the 1990s, as postal services were stopped for seven months?
  • Thanks. I'll take a look at the alt later. But it's not Indian English to begin sentences with The poem was penned down against the backdrop of an armed uprising. Yoninah (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Yoninah I don't quite follow. By saying it isn't Indian English do you mean that the sentence structure is bad in general, or how someone other than an Indian would talk. I can give it for copyedit if you think the grammar is that bad. My bad. Confused.png Cry.png Face-glasses.svg DTM (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK, I gave the article a thorough edit. I tried to add another sentence showing notability to the lead, but it needs to be embellished, to explain why they are citing the title. In the second paragraph of "Impact and legacy", please explain in a few words what the revocation of Article 370 was, so we can understand what the poem's title has to do with it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Ocean Wind

Created by Djflem (talk). Self-nominated at 10:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, well sourced. QPQ done. Hook in policy. Earwig shows minor copyvio in the paragraph starting “Ørsted U.S. Offshore Wind...”, please reword this. The hook could be more concise: “ that Ocean Wind will become the largest offshore wind farm in the United States?”
Onceinawhile (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT is fine by me.Djflem (talk) 07:26, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Onceinawhile (talk) 08:17, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This nomination is not ready as there are numerous bald URLs and also dead links. I started formatting the references but too many didn't open. IMO a different hook should be sought, as by 2024 there may be bigger wind farms. Yoninah (talk) 23:26, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah:. Refs are all formatted now.Djflem (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
I did some spot checking and am convinced it is ok to say "...is expected to become..." or similar, if that would work. See for example this recent article [4] which reviews all the major planned offshore wind farms. Ocean Wind is definitely the biggest scheduled by 2024. Onceinawhile (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4[edit]

Begotten (film)

  • ... that E. Elias Merhige's film Begotten was first released in Montreal 1989, but various media outlets have mistakenly reported that the film's screening at the San Francisco Film Festival in 1990 was its first release?
  • ALT1:... that singer Marilyn Manson hired E. Elias Merhige to direct several of his music videos after viewing a copy of his debut film Begotten?
  • ALT2:... that Begotten's distinct visual style was accomplished through the use of an optical printer, which took a total of eight to ten hours for each minute of film?
  • ALT3:... that Begotten is considered by its creator E. Elias Merhige to be a part of an unofficial series, with the second entry being the 2006 short film Din of Celestial Birds?

Improved to Good Article status by Paleface Jack (talk). Self-nominated at 17:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Fascinating film and story, on excellent sources, French sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. There are so many great things one might say for a hook just in the first paragraph of the lead: no dialogue, black&white, horror, - how about some of that? Keep in mind that the reader needs to know rather soon that is a film. Did you not link Merhige on purpose? - My reactions to the proposed hooks: #0 leaves me cold, #1 is for Manson fans while others (around the globe) may not know who that is, #2 is one I'd approve if you don't want to spend time on the suggestion, #3 doesn't tell me "film", and I'm tired by reaching trilogy. - Great work, nice to meet you, - now let's show it at it best. Anything with an image would be attractive, - remember: no dialogue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT4:... that in spite of high praise from film critic Susan Sontag, Begotten has received little to no attention from film critics, with many mainstream reviewers ignoring the film entirely?
I moved your new hook down here. Please don't change things which have been discussed. (like, I speak of Manson, and there's no Manson ...) Now to ALT4: two reactions possible, you want to follow Sontag - whom you may know or not - and click, or you follow those who ignore. I'd still be more interested in the "no dialogue" aspect. Take your time, bedtime for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I was kind of working on end steam when I did this. I will work on this all a bit more in a little while.Paleface Jack (talk)
Take your time, Jack, - I moved your comment above the closing line. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Still working on redoing the hooks, but here is what I have rewritten it all to so far:

  • ALT5:... that the film Begotten contains no dialogue, being made to resemble an aged silent film; accomplished through the use of an optical printer, a process taking a total of eight to ten hours for each minute of film?
  • ALT6:... that in spite of high praise from famed critics Susan Sontag and Jonathan Rosenbaum, Begotten has received little to no attention from film critics, with many mainstream reviewers ignoring the film entirely?

--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for these offers, which i numbered consecutively. For the moment, only ALT1 is out, we look at the rest. My favourite is ALT5, but please supply a year, and I'm not sure if we need to explain the printer here, - our objective should be to raise enough interest in a reader to click and want more. So, try ALT7 with a year, the creator, and less technical detail. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
talk, in response to your question on my talk: almost any year would do, - this is just a different hook talking about something c. 1990 - compared to let's say the 1950s. You could simply use the phrase "released in 1989" from the original hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Here's an ALT7, if not with all of the elements listed above (I didn't think the creator was necessary):
  • ALT7: ... that the 1989 film Begotten contains no dialogue, and was made to resemble an aged silent film using a process that required eight to ten hours for each minute of film? —BlueMoonset (talk) 18:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I thought that would have been the right way to do it, I just wasn't sure.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Cecylia and Maciej Brogowski

Created by Cyzbig (talk) and Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:52, 6 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough (3 December), long enough (2,170), NPOV, effective use of inline citations. No obvious copyvio, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing. Hook is interesting and short enough and cited inline and verifiable. Adequate QPQ provided. Good to go with ALT0. Cowlibob (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but this article gives no background or biography about the people the page is named for. Right now it is better named Rescue of Irena Sznycer. Can you provide any biographical details about the couple themselves? Yoninah (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for picking this up, I apologise for not doing so. It looks like all the information is around her rescue. The only details that are present are the year of birth and death of the couple, where they lived and how many children they had. So this article needs to be edited to redirect the focus. Cowlibob (talk) 13:05, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@Piotrus and Cyzbig: Courtesy ping regarding above issue. Cowlibob (talk) 17:21, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah and Cowlibob: Most biographies of the Righteous Among the Nations follow a similar format - they are individuals who are otherwise not notable for much else in their lives, and not much else is known about them outside the events related to WWII. The topic is notable and the article is long enough and as such I think it is eligible for DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Piotrus, no one has said that the article is not notable, long enough or ineligible for DYK. Yoninah simply suggested renaming the article to a more appropriate title, or otherwise adding more biographical details to make the current title more appropriate. 97198 (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough, through my reply to this is that I think the article has an appropriate focus (or at least standard). So while more expansion would be nice I do not think it is likely. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 6[edit]

Henri Fertet

  • ... that Henri Fertet (1926–1943) was a French schoolboy and Resistance fighter who was executed as a terrorist by the German forces occupying France during World War II, and that on 5 June 2019 French president Emmanuel Macron at a 75th anniversary Europe-wide commemoration of the 1944 Normandy landings read out part of his farewell letter to his parents, written on the morning of his execution?
  • Comment: Translated from fr:Henri Fertet, but expanded and with more citations.
    I haven't included his posthumous honours in the draft hook: they were rather to be expected under the circumstances, they make a long list, and IMO they don't add to the essence of the story.
    (If anyone here knows how to put File:Henri Fertet.jpg into the French article, please do so. After reading the guides in four languages on how to move images into Commons, I am none the wiser.)

Created by Narky Blert (talk). Self-nominated at 22:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial article, and much more substantial than the French one, on excellent sources which - mostly French - I accept AGF, no copyvio obvious. What you propose for a hook is a load of material from which you will have to pick something concise, begin with ALT1, and below please. If I was you, I'd take the image of the street sign, which would tell us "martyr of the resistance" already, so you can focus on something else. I like the lead sentence about the letter. Youmay also consider Macron reading from it. Good luck, and many thanks for a valuable article! - Ah, for how get the image of the boy to the commons, I call David. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg --evrik (talk) 20:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestions. I'd mention the age when talking about the execution, am not sure about "martyred", and would write ALT2 completely the other way round, beginning with Macron as someone known. Just ideas. I'm still watching, so you don't need another reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  •  Symbol question.svg Let's see what we have here: Article is long/new enough, sources are reliable, there are no copyright violations, image is licensed properly, hooks are cited and interesting (I personally prefer ALT1 since it is shorter and interesting), article is stable, QPQ not required, and no copyediting needed since it readers clearly.
Now, I added multiple [Citation needed] tags because there are paragraphs and information that need verification. The DOB/POB in the infobox is unsourced too. Please add that info in the body paragraphs. I also have a question about the footnotes, specifically for the transcript he wrote. A lot seem to be interpretations of what Fertet meant. Are those your interpretations of what he meant, or can you cite those to an expert/historian? If they are your interpretations then they have to be removed. Footnotes require sources too. Please ping me when this is done. MX () 20:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Narky Blert: Did you want to cite the five flagged facts? --evrik (talk) 16:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Acer diabolicum

Created by Abductive (talk). Self-nominated at 20:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Review: Article is 1. new enough, created 6 December. 2.It is long enough. 3. There are no serious policy concerns. The hook is 1 correctly formatted and 2 interesting enough. The images are all Commons compliant, of sufficient quality and one of them shows the feature mentioned in the hook. I support accepting this nomination. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Dodger67: did you pass this? If so, please add the appropriate tick. --evrik (talk) 16:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Done. evrik apologies for the delay in tagging it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
      • Symbol voting keep.svg Repeating Roger (Dodger67)'s tick here, which was added after the "review again" icon; the bot that moves approved hooks only sees the lowest-appearing icon on the page, so duplicating the tick lower down will get this nomination to the Approved page. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but several paragraphs lack inline citations, per Rule D2. The footnotes are also uncited. Yoninah (talk) 20:50, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 7[edit]

Yves Abel

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 17:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing...New enough, long enough, interesting. Will complete and ping Whispyhistory (talk) 09:24, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
* Symbol voting keep.svg No copyvio issues, reads well. Hook facts in article and followed by inline citations with hook fact. The founding of his company, Opéra Français de New York, is cited using a non-English source but I can see the fact here if you think it should be added. QPQ has been done. Thank you Whispyhistory (talk) 14:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, also for the extra source, will hopefully remember to add. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but as much as you want to show he's all over the place, this hook is also neither here nor there. How about cutting off some of his resume and adding something that sounds hooky?
  • ALT1: ... that the Canadian Yves Abel, chief conductor of a German symphony orchestra, founded the company Opéra Français de New York which focuses on rarely played French operas? Yoninah (talk) 11:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
As you like it. I think that La Scala is attractive, and like to point at Tim riley's ROH (as I like to point at Handel in a hook on the Main page right now), and I believe that being all-over-the place is characteristic of this particular person. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Restoring tick for ALT1 per Whispyhistory's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A new reviewer is needed to check the new material found in ALT1. The prose in the article is a bit rough in places; I've copyedited the intro, but the rest could use some improvement before this hits the main page. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:26, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 8[edit]

Ulrich Konrad

  • ... that the musicologist Ulrich Konrad published a book Wolfgang Amadé Mozart, and edited the composer's sketches and fragments? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Size and date OK. However, it looks like this article has multiple issues:
  1. It is largely unsourced. In fact, aside from the awards/honors section, the entire article is either completely unsourced or based on a single source. This is a major issue for BLP, and in its current state the article might not pass an AfD if nominated.
  2. The source might not meet WP:RS. I have taken the liberty to ask about it here.
  3. It's unclear whether the hook is in the article (not the source). Where does it say that Konrad edited Mozart's sketches?
Ynhockey (Talk) 20:41, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for looking. Beginning at the end: "also published annotated editions of all of Mozart's sketches and fragments". Will look at other concern, - not "my" article, just an interesting subject. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
I looked. He earned some prizes, and most refs for them also substantiate the biography. I duplicated some, and added two. Sorry, right now I have no time for more, but please check again. I fail to see which source you thought was the "single". --
@Gerda Arendt: Saying that he published annotated editions of Mozart's works does not mean he edited them. I think you meant to write that he edited (i.e. was the editor of) a publication with the collection of the sketches and fragments—but even then it's ambiguous, which IMO does not make a good hook.
Regarding sources: Thank you for adding more sources—there are no longer any major BLP issues that I can see. However, the two new sources appear not to be secondary sources, so I would be cautious about accepting them for a DYK hook. Are there any secondary sources discussing the subject? In any case, it will be easier to assess this if a more appropriate hook is proposed. How about "... that German musicologist Ulrich Konrad, after studying fragments of Mozart's compositions, concluded that the latter had planned his works far more thoroughly than previously assumed?" A bit long, maybe someone can make a better suggestion, but I think the point about the discovery is quite interesting.
Ynhockey (Talk) 01:51, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Ynhockey, thank you, yes, editied, and I'll think about the ALT, god idea. Peter Schreier died, will take care of that first, after the morning round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
That done, here we meet again. Look, I didn't write the article, someone did in German, LouisAlain translated, and I just did what I hoped makes it acceptable for DYK because I believe it's really good to know. - I often prefer to write from scratch, DYK?
ALT1: ... that the musicologist Ulrich Konrad wrote a book Wolfgang Amadé Mozart, and edited the composer's sketches and fragments?
ALT2: ... that musicologist Ulrich Konrad studied sketches that Wolfgang Amadé Mozart made for composition, and concluded that the composer planned his works more thoroughly than previously assumed?
I don't think that the nationality of the musicologist matters enough to be mentioned. "Sketch" seems to explain "planning" better than "fragment". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Church of the Cosmic Skull. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Alon Blue Square

  • ... that in 1987, the Israeli company Blue Square held the local Wendy's franchise, but failed? Source: [5]

Created/expanded by Ynhockey (talk). Self-nominated at 21:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I found no evidence of plagiarism. However, the article is missing inline citations for almost the entire history section. The hook is reasonably interesting, and appears in the source, but it is not verbatim from the article. What the article says the company became an Israeli franchisee of Wendy's, reaching six branches, but folded shortly after would have been a better hook, but it is unsourced. QPQ done. --Muhandes (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:09, 17 December 2019‎ (UTC)
@Muhandes: It appears that the nominator has further expanded the article. Requesting a second look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: The third paragraph still lacks sources. I presume Ynhockey is still working on it, so I am waiting for him to ping me when done. --Muhandes (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
True, I was a bit busy lately and was unable to finish what I started after the issues raised in this nomination. Basically the unsourced information is taken from the Hebrew Deep web, which is in turn (as far as I can tell) taken from the Ynet feature I already added as a source for some of the facts. Therefore technically it's also a source for almost all of the remaining unsourced content. I will add inline sources as soon as I can. —Ynhockey (Talk) 11:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. The hook is now verbatim from the article and is well sourced. I removed some unsourced facts and gave credit to the source article in the talk page. --Muhandes (talk) 10:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Ynhockey: by saying it failed, you're telling the whole story and giving no reason to click on the hook. Could you write something a little hookier please? Yoninah (talk) 22:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 9[edit]

Roie Galitz

Roie Galitz
Roie Galitz
  • ... that Roie Galitz (pictured), a wildlife photographer, founded the biggest photography school in Israel? Source: "גליץ, נשוי ואב לארבעה, עזב אז את העבודה שנתנה לו שקט כלכלי ופתח את "גליץ בית ספר לצילום", שלימים הפך לבית הספר הגדול בארץ ואחד מהגדולים בעולם. מאז הקמתו סיימו בו כ־23 אלף בוגרים ב־1,300 מחזורי לימוד."[6]

Created by Ynhockey (talk). Self-nominated at 21:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article has been created within a week before nomination, is more than 1,500 characters long (readable prose), hasn't been featured before and prose doesn't have issues. Though there are 2 inline dispute tags to be taken care of. About the hook, the first one interests me more.. the source is in Hebrew so I am unable to interpret it, but I would AGF; a few other websites showing up in an English Google search do support the claim. Maybe add a wikilink for Israel. An alternative hook can be:

@Ynhockey: Just checked on this again, there has been no activity here since weeks. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 16:26, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: Hey, thanks for pinging me. I am OK with either of the hooks. Are there any issues that need to be worked out? (it seems that both are sourced). —Ynhockey (Talk) 20:45, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
The issues are mentioned above - the inline tags. Sourcing isn't an issue. I think ALT2 would be more interesting. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 02:59, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Evrik: If you mean the CN tag, I have removed the small fact that required a citation. If I find a citation for it later, I will re-add it. —Ynhockey (Talk) 20:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Sainsf: How does it look now? --evrik (talk) 20:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I'm getting weary of hooks that tout "first", "biggest", "only", etc. I'd like to promote ALT1 but add some more color to it, like this:
  • ALT2: ... that Israeli wildlife photographer Roie Galitz won first place at the Siena International Photo Awards in the "Fragile Ice" category for his picture of a sleeping polar bear? Yoninah (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
@Yoninah: This hook is also great, what do you think @Ynhockey:? Sainsf (talk · contribs) 03:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
This is fine from my point of view. —Ynhockey (Talk) 11:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. @Sainsf: could you review ALT2 please? Yoninah (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 10[edit]

Skandinavskii sbornik

  • ... that Skandinavskii sbornik was the leading forum for Soviet scholars of Nordic studies for 35 years until the collapse of the Soviet Union?
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 11:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough. I assume good faith on the references that I can't read. A QPQ is needed. The article doesn't say "leading forum". The article was tagged for notability. SL93 (talk) 08:16, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, it has been expanded and untagged. QPQ follows shortly. I was paraphrasing "main scholarly forum" as "leading forum" in order not to plagiarise. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This is ready. SL93 (talk) 00:28, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the page has a cleanup tag and someone on the talk page is threatening to take it to AfD for WP:SYNTH. Yoninah (talk) 20:55, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • They moved to synth when they couldn't get anywhere on notability as synth is an easier way to block an article you don't like as it's an easy accusation to make and harder to rebut, particularly when some of the sources are in Russian. It's not synth in the slightest but it needs someone else to read it and remove the tag if they think it unjustified. The angry tone of the comments tells you everything you need to know. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 14[edit]

New Body

Created by Nice4What (talk). Self-nominated at 13:17, 15 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is well-written and sourced, new enough. Hooks are sourced and present, however I have merged the original hook and ALT3 into ALT4 to suggest to the reader that Kanye intended on making a religion-centred album. Also, to defend Nicki, in the Complex article she clearly indicates that she "didn't" want to make the verse religious rather than "couldn't". I'm not entirely sure if my hook makes any sense towards the end, so I would like a second opinion. heyitsben!! talk 12:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The original reviewer requested a second opinion (personally I think ALT3 is interesting on its own, probably more quirky than ALT4), so this nomination might need new eyes. Courtesy ping to the nominator Nice4What and requesting their input on HeyitsBen's ALT4 proposal. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: ALT 4 is fine and is a revamped wording of the original blurb proposal. I could understand how ALT 3 might be more interesting though. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 11:48, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Marine Cemetery

  • Reviewed: Hans Raj Vohra
  • Comment: Article may require some copyediting

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 07:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough (14 December), long enough (1,585). In the " Eight of these markers are 4 feet..." sentence only seven species are mentioned (which is the missing one?). Why is the Miss Kerala marker bigger than the others? Earwig also flags the following "in collaboration with the Beypore Port department, the district administration of Kozhikode, and" as a copyvio. Could the sentence be rephrased? Cowlibob (talk) 15:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Courtesy ping for nominator to return to article. Cowlibob (talk) 12:52, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've also had a look at this article. I've moved it (and adjusted this nomination page) as per the following rationale: "Nothing in the sources indicates that the definite article is part of the monument's name. Adjust as per WP:THE." I further note that what is currently reference number 4 (pointing to aninews.in) is non-specific and the URL needs to be updated to point to the relevant article referred to. Schwede66 00:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
    • @Cowlibob: Thanks for review. Added the missing eighth Seahorse. I don't know why Miss Kerala marker is bigger but probably because it is native species while others are not native. That copyvio sentence is reworded. Please review futher. @Schwede66: Thanks. aninews.in url seem fixed now. -Nizil (talk) 14:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks for the changes. To complete my review, the article is NPOV, information is cited with enough inline citations and is free of obvious copyvio, paraphrasing or plagiarism. Adequate QPQ provided. I've made some more amendments to the article as the above hooks are not actually accurate (have struck them). The monument is dedicated to nine marine species (not just fish), the dugong is a mammal for example. All that is left for approval is an appropriate hook, I'm offering a ALT2 but this will need to be approved by someone else if the nominator is happy with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowlibob (talkcontribs) 14:07, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg While I like Alt2, I think the prose is clunky and somewhat like an advertisement. --evrik (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I will note that one of the species the monument is dedicated to is not a marine species, but a riverine one - Miss Kerala. Suggest either one of ALT3 or ALT4. Spokoyni (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT3: ... that the Marine Cemetery is made from plastic bottles collected from an Indian beach?
  • ALT4: ... that the Marine Cemetery, made from plastic bottles collected from an Indian beach, is dedicated to nine endangered water-dwelling species?
Symbol question.svg I'm tentatively approving both ALT3 and ALT4, with the rest of the review per Cowlibob; however, the final hook approval is on hold pending a possible copyedit of the "History" section. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Suggesting that a copyedit be done to the article; the nomination will be approved once this is accomplished. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:,  Done. Copyediting completed. -Nizil (talk) 11:07, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 16[edit]

Angelina (French singer)

Angelina at JESC 2018
Angelina at JESC 2018
  • ... that no one in Angelina's (pictured) family has any musical training? Source: [11]
    • ALT1:... that Angelina (pictured) came second in the 2018 Junior Eurovision Song Contest? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 22:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting early career, on mostly good sources, no copyvio obvious. I understand that you are not quite done, so I probably won't have to tell you to format refs. French sources accepted AGF, but can we get something better than facebook? The original hook, saying what is not, without even saying why it would be relevant to someone about whom we know no more than that she is know by first name only, doesn't work for me, but the ALT is fine. Perhaps link the abbreviation in the image caption because it may be there that a reader looks first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
I forgot to say that the image is licensed, but I think the crop is too narrow, - her face doesn't show anyway, so we might have a bit more "around" her, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I'm gonna work on the article now and I'll try to find a better ref. And I will then experiment a little bit with the image and with the caption. (Maybe something like "Angelina at Junior Eurovision"? The caption will take up two lines like this, but it will be clearer.)
I need a couple of days. I must make myself reference everything right now (the sources are ready, they are on the talk page), and then I'll think about the picture. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Fine, take your time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. I hope to be able to look later today, - on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Bim bam toi

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:55, 23 December 2019 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg While the article is technically 1525 prose characters, 320 of these are quoted lyrics (378 if you count the video quotes), between a fifth and a fourth of the article's length. Moscow Connection, this needs more original material to meet the length requirement. (I'm also worried about how much of the lyrics have been quoted; it may go beyond fair use into copyvio territory.) The article should not be difficult to expand, as I see the song has very recently charted, something that has not been mentioned in the prose. Once the expansion is done, the review will need to be completed and address the other DYK criteria, such as neutrality, copyvio/close paraphrasing, adequate QPQ (it also doesn't address the issues missing from this above review), and referencing throughout (which looks fine). Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
    • 1. Okay, I'll expand it. (I need a few days. I'm trying to make myself finish another article.) 2. Technically, you can say I didn't quote the song, I quoted the article that quoted the song. The article's author probably decided that the song was best explained with a quote from it. Especially since the song is really crazy. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Moscow Connection: I tried to expand it with another paragraph, but didn't have any luck. Is there a good source on the impact the song has had? --evrik (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
    • @Evrik: Can I do it tomorrow, please? I promise I'll expand the article. (Or, if I don't succeed, I will just say it is impossible.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
    • The sources are here: [12], [13], [14]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
    • @Evrik: Btw, if you expand the article a little bit, I'll happily add your name to the nomination! (I can't do it myself right now, I'll return tomorrow.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 17:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
      • Thans, but I don't need the credit. :-) --evrik (talk) 19:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @BlueMoonset: I added enough text to get it over the 1500 character threshold. I also set aside the majority of the quoted lyrics, which I think add to the article. MC is going to look at this again, but I think I helped with the issues cited above. --evrik (talk) 19:40, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that "Bim Bam Boom" aboard a plane caused quite a stir in France? --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that a bim bam boom aboard a plane caused quite a stir in France? --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 17[edit]

Nucleoid

  • ... that a nucleoid is the bacterial way of keeping massively large DNA (1000-times larger than a bacterial cell itself) compact and well-organized?
    • ALT1:... that a nucleoid is the bacterial way of keeping massively large DNA compact and well organized?

5x expanded by Vermasc (talk). Self-nominated at 19:00, 19 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi Vermasc and welcome to Deep web. I regret to inform you that the pages at Nucleoid and Micropeptide are not eligible for DYK. Please consider reading the DYK rules again to understand the purpose of this project as it relates to newly created/expanded articles. Raymie (tc) 19:31, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
    • @Raymie: I believe that this DYK nomination is eligible under the 5x expansion criterion using content developed outside of article namespace. I can confirm that the content of this article was copied across from this page where it was initially written by Jogmiez and published under CC BY 4.0 as part of PLOS's 'Topic Pages' format to provide useful compatibly-licensed content for Deep web pages. Previous DYK examples in the format: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
      • @Evolution and evolvability: My apologies! The incorrect title and some other issues with the plugin I used prevented me from catching this. I am fixing the nomination listing and reinstating it under 17 December. Raymie (tc) 00:36, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
        • @Raymie: No problem, sorry for the confusion caused! I'm happy to help out with any further things that come up. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 01:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Getting to my proper review. New enough and long enough. This would be the nominator's first DYK credit—indeed, they don't have any other activity on the account but are the lead author on the PLOS Genetics listing. @Vermasc and Evolution and evolvability:, which one is the hook source/location? The article is large enough—58,000 prose characters—that I'm not finding it. As to the hook itself, ALT1 is better suited for the DYK but it doesn't seem right. Is there a better hook to be had? Raymie (tc) 07:03, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: Although doi:10.1371/journal.pgen.1008456 could conceivably be the source reference, I think it's worth avoiding using it in this context, since it was also the source of the content. The appropriate reference for hook1=doi:10.1002/jcb.20519 and hook2=doi:10.1016/j.mib.2014.10.001. As for alternative hooks, are you thinking something snappier? Possible image might be cropped half of File:Subhash nucleoid 11.png. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 08:51, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: I'll AGF on those then since they are paywalled. It's more the phrasing. I might write it like this with the same source: would you approve? Raymie (tc) 02:01, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: that in bacteria, nucleoids keep massively large DNA compact and well organized?
Using the singular is probably more more accurate (ALT3), but otherwise looks good. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 08:39, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: that in bacteria, a nucleoid keeps the large quantity of DNA compact and well organized?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Raymie: I think Alt 2 sounds best. --evrik (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • My choice is for ALT3, per the nominator's scientific judgment, but another nominator should make the call. Thank you Evrik for the ping. Raymie (tc) 22:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Kambo cleanse

A kambo ceremony
A kambo ceremony
  • ... that people willingly burn their skin and spread frog poison on the wound to detox themselves (pictured)?

Created by OneUpOnUs (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 17 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Problematic from WP:NPOV/WP:FRINGE perspective, because people do not "detox" themselves, they attempt to "detox" themselves; and then this kind of detoxification is not actually a thing, it's a fake concept. Alexbrn (talk) 09:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I had the same concerns; a better phrasing might be something like
I completely agree with both of you, such an obvious mistake. I like SpicyMilkBoy's alternate hook and I also have a another suggestion (although I think I still prefer SpicyMilkBoy's).
  • ALT0b ... that people willingly burn their skin and spread frog poison on the wound in the mistaken belief that they are detoxing themselves (pictured)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneUpOnUs (talkcontribs) 22:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Just a comment, the link is somewhat misleading because it looks like it would link to the detox article rather than Kambo cleanse. It's best to state the name of the article in the hook. :) SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
In that case I still prefer yours. OneUpOnUs (talk) 23:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT0b could be interpreted to say that you can "detox" yourself, which in the alt-med sense is meaningless. ALTa works, but I'd suggest something more likely to pique curiosity than rejection. 04:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
In all of these suggestions, the reference is to "people." Is it better to say something like, "people in the West have been using a traditional medicine treatment…" or "indigenous people of South America have used Kambo cleanse, a practice that has spread to the West"? I don't think these specific suggestions are great, but note that it becomes clearer what is meant by "people." TheGreatConsultingDetective (talk) 09:22, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
That's a good point. Perhaps something like this (although the phrasing isn't so catchy - maybe someone else can punch it up):
  • ALT1: ... that Kambo, a traditional practice among indigenous South Americans in which frog poison is applied to burnt skin, is used as alternative medicine in the West?
  • ALT0d ... that participants willingly burn their skin and apply frog poison to the wound in Kambo, a South American folk medicine practice that has spread to the West?
I'm not sure about ALT0c because the "detoxification marketing myth" bit or equivalent wording isn't in the article and might be hard to include without getting into WP:SYNTH territory (even though it's obviously true). SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
The fact that something can kill you is always hooky. You'd almost think that we humans take an instinctive interest in learning about lethal dangers.Face-smile.svg The "marketing myth" is cited in the article liked to from "detoxification", which I think is acceptable, as that's what a reader will naturally click on if they want information about marketing myths.
There is a somewhat odd practice, especially in the US, of specifying ethnicity in medical contexts, despite the fact that it is usually either irrelevant or a proxy measure (say, for how many malarial ancestors you've had, or for poverty). I suspect this is an expression of a deep-running belief that the US-genic hypodescentic caste system has biological foundations (which it doesn't; biology is not hypodescentic). If the hook is talking about medical effects, not cultural context, I'm not sure that we need to distinguish traditional indigenous people from other people. The reader will probably figure out that we mean human people. While it's obvious that the Westerners modify the practice and use it differently, and this may make it more dangerous, frankly it would be more worth mentioning if they didn't, and this topic is a completely different hook. If we do go with a cultural hook (like ALT1 and ALT0d) we should say that the indigenous people are Panoans, rather than using only descriptive exonyms. HLHJ (talk) 21:10, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Very good points - to be clear, what led me to specify indigenous vs. Western use of the procedure is that it seems ahistorical to refer to the traditional practices as "pseudoscience", "alternative medicine", or "detoxing" - but it's fair enough to say that it should be assumed that the Western practices are different. We could bypass that issue entirely with a phrasing like
  • ALT2: ... that multiple deaths have been associated with the Kambo cleanse, which involves burning one's skin and applying frog poison to the wound?
Except this hook doesn't explain exactly why people would do that - but maybe that'll make people want to click the link and find out. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
No that could work, the "cleanse" part hints at the reason why people do it enough I think OneUpOnUs (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Entirely agree on the ahistoricity; ALT0c, I think, accommodates this by addressing only the motives and outcomes for some participants (frankly, I know nothing about the traditional practice). "Cleanse" is a good hint, and we don't have to say why; ALT3 would be OK, though I think it weaker than ALT0c. HLHJ (talk) 02:05, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
That's a good option too. I think we might as well leave this up to the DYK reviewers now - we've given them a lot of hooks to choose from. And I'm getting tired of typing all these colons. :P SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. Although I've just thought, since "detox" does have some legitimate meanings, perhaps the wl should make this clear. HLHJ (talk) 16:56, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including of the various ALT hooks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Reviewing..., at least you guys gave me a lot to work with. Toreightyone (talk) 15:40, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Initial Review:

Article:
Newness:☑Y - created a day before nomination
Length:☑Y - 5664 B
Copyvio Check:☑Y - 36.7%, but the percentage is attributed to the quotes
Neutrality:☑Y
Grammar:☑Y
Sources:☑Y - every claim is sufficiently sourced, great use of scholarly articles

Hook:
Length:☑Y - all are <250 characters
Image:???? - For the image provided, I'm just curious as to where it mentions that the video is under CC BY-SA 3.0, usually Youtube videos would have to disclose the copyright within the description, within the video, or on their separate website. The only thing I found on [15] was that they reserve the rights to copyright.
Content: ☑Y - for ALTs 0a, 0d, 1, 4; I'll let the promoting admin decide as they all work
Neutrality:☑Y
Source:☑Y - within the article
QPQ:☑Y - Not required as first DYK nomination

Overall: Symbol question.svg Everything is good to go for ALTs 0a, 0d, 1, or 4, although some concerns need to be addressed regarding the image - please see the comments above. Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your review. The video the image comes from is this one on YouTube, it mentions in the description that it's licensed under Creative Commons. When I click on the CC link in the video's description it takes me to a Youtube help page on CC. From there I clicked on the "CC BY" link taking me to the CC 3.0 page https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/legalcode which I understood to mean that the video was CC BY-SA 3.0 licensed. Hopefully I've done that correctly, it was my understanding that Youtube videos under CC license can be used? OneUpOnUs (talk) 00:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg ... How did I not see that, I honestly don't know how I overlooked that. Everything is good to go! I also substituted the CC BY-SA 3.0 license on the commons page with a Youtube-specific template. Thanks, Toreightyone (talk) 02:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
No problem :) OneUpOnUs (talk) 02:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT4, but there is no mention of the detoxification marketing myth in the article. The talk page also has a lengthy discussion of the impartiality of the article, so this will not be promoted anytime soon. Yoninah (talk) 18:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 18[edit]

Ratilal Borisagar

Borisagar in 2019
Borisagar in 2019
  • ... that Gujarati humourist Ratilal Borisagar (pictured) was awarded Sahitya Akademi Award in 2019? Source:[16]
    • ALT1:... that Gujarati humourist Ratilal Borisagar's (pictured) novel Sambhavami Yuge Yuge lightly criticised the Sardar Sarovar Dam project?Source: Parekh, Madhusudan (2001). "બોરીસાગર, રતિલાલ મોહનલાલ" [Borisagar, Ratilal Mohanlal]. In Thaker, Dhirubhai (ed.). Gujarati Vishwakosh (in Gujarati). XIV. Ahmedabad: Gujarat Vishwakosh Trust. p. 57. OCLC 163822128.
  • Reviewed: Bowne Park
  • Comment: Article may require some copyediting WP:GOCE requested  Done

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 07:20, 19 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hooks also need work. No one outside India will be familiar with this award, and no one will know the importance of the Sardar Sarovar Dam project. Feel free to write more words to explain why this information is hooky. Yoninah (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review. I will expand hooks. CE is ongoing. QPQ soon. -Nizil (talk) 06:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT0a:... that Gujarati humourist Ratilal Borisagar (pictured) was awarded by India's National Academy of Letters in 2019?
ALT1a: ... that Gujarati humourist Ratilal Borisagar's (pictured) novel Sambhavami Yuge Yuge lightly criticised the Sardar Sarovar Dam, the world's second biggest dam in terms of volume of concrete used? https://indianexpress.com/article/india/pm-narendra-modi-to-inaugurate-worlds-second-biggest-sardar-sarovar-dam-on-september-17-4843132/
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that additional ALT hooks have been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Copyediting is requested at GOCE and User_talk:Nizil_Shah#C/E is where it is being discussed. After CE by one editor, I think one more editor has retaken the task. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah:, CE is completed now. Please review. -Nizil (talk) 06:10, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reinstating call for a full review. (Sorry I posted one prematurely.) BlueMoonset (talk) 06:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Coffee:, QPQ is being reviewed. -Nizil (talk) 05:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Soldier Blade

Improved to Good Article status by Namcokid47 (talk). Nominated by Miraclepine (talk) at 14:17, 20 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Can you cite the sources in this nom where the form left the boilerplate text for you to do so? Daniel Case (talk) 05:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Has anyone looked at this? --evrik (talk) 21:27, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19[edit]

Arlo Parks

  • ... that 19 year-old Arlo Parks released her EP Super Sad Generation about depression and drug abuse amongst modern-day youth, before writing her GCE Advanced Level exams? Source: Apple Music "5 April 2019"; MusicWeek "...where she recently completed her A-Levels."; Nouse "touching on themes of drug abuse, mental health and other issues that our generation seems to struggle with."
    • ALT1: ... that in one year, 19 year-old Arlo Parks completed her GCE Advanced Levels and released her debut EP Super Sad Generation about depression and drug abuse amongst modern-day youth?
    • ALT2: ... that in one year, 19 year-old Arlo Parks completed her GCE Advanced Levels and released her debut EP Super Sad Generation which touches on themes of drug abuse, mental health and other issues that modern day youth struggle with?

Created by HeyitsBen (talk). Self-nominated at 22:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I have moved the cites out of the infobox and started a new section for her Musical style. The hooks are interesting, but it is not clear from the source exactly when she completed her GED, so ALT1 is the preferred hook. However, the article does not mention the hook fact about the album dealing with depression and drug abuse amongst modern-day youth. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits; the submitted QPQ is not complete. Yoninah (talk) 16:26, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I have adapted ALT1 to correctly quote the Nouse article. I never indicated that the nominator with less than 5 DYK credits needed to complete a QPQ. What more must I do to complete the submitted QPQ? heyitsben!! talk 10:41, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @HeyitsBen: Hi, I'm sorry my matter-of-fact reviewing style wasn't clear to you. I was stating that you, the nominator, have less than 5 DYK credits and so do not need to submit a QPQ. However, since you did submit a QPQ, I was noting that that review was incomplete.
  • Thank you for tweaking the ALT1, but in future please strike out the hook you don't want and write a new hook with a sequential number (ALT2, ALT3, etc.) underneath. I restored the thread and renumbered your alt.
  • Per WP:DYK#Eligibility criteria 3. Cited hook, all the hook facts must appear in the nominated article. However, the facts which touches on themes of drug abuse, mental health and other issues that modern day youth struggle with do not appear in the article. Your ALT2 hook is also quite long. Seems to me depression and drug abuse is plenty description, as long as it is mentioned and cited in the article. Yoninah (talk) 18:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Riyadh International Book Fair

  • Reviewed: Ocelot
  • Comment: First author created as an AfC, abandoned draft balanced and re-sourced by second author. A book fair which really cannot be called boring. I'm not sure what to use as a hook. Video presentations on how to reverse magic spells? Censorship of a discussion on censorship? Segregated discussion panels? Shouting matches, with accusations of blasphemy and idolatry? A war-themed book fair? Mein Kampf and Protocols of the Elders of Zion (permitted)? Dimples (forbidden)? Dramatic reversals on attitudes to women's driving activists? Women Who Deserve to go to Hell? Opinions welcome.
Please see talk page on the sourcing. HLHJ (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Created by Smny2018 (talk) and HLHJ (talk). Nominated by HLHJ (talk) at 04:35, 21 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Also, there are numerous maintenance tags on this page that need to be resolved. Give me a ping and I'll be happy to suggest some hooks for you when these are fixed. epicgenius (talk) 23:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
  • epicgenius, I've removed the maintenance tags, mainly by explaining the COIs of some of the sources inline. Independent sourcing is a difficult task for this topic (which is why it languished so long in AfC). HLHJ (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @HLHJ: Looks better. However, there's still a few "better sources" tags. Here are some choices you can come up with (all of which were mentioned in the article):
  • Lots of possibilities to choose from here. You don't have to pick just one. epicgenius (talk) 18:21, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
I'll try to give this a review over the next few days, but tentatively ALT2 is the best hook among the three proposed. With that said, if we are to go with ALT2, we have to be careful with the hook wording and make sure that it doesn't make it look like we are condoning the criticism. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:25, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
It's a bit more complex even than that; I'm drafting a section on the political context to make that clearer. The first and ALT2 are part of a political dispute, reported on by interested parties, and ALT1 is a statement by a publisher anxious not to be banned from the fair. The local media carry claims about the size of the fair that are not only strikingly inflated relative to more independent sources, but as not consistent with one another (note that these do not appear in the article). The source for ALT2 is “Riyadh book fair is the most important book fair in the Arab world in terms of sales and attendance. This is not in question,” said Adel Al Hawshan, owner of Tuwa Media and Publishing. “This book fair accounts for at least 70% of our sales, and I know the number is similar to many Arab publishers.” The first is contradicted by independent sources; the second estimate seems a bit high, too, really, considering that more independent sources say that there are a half-dozen or so Arab-world book fairs which have larger attendance than Riyadh, in some cases by a factor of two.[17] Some other sources have publishers speaking off-the-record in fear of losing market access. The COIs here are complex, and the more I look into them, the more complex they get. I'll have another go over the whole article as soon as I have time. HLHJ (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @HLHJ and Epicgenius: It's been several weeks since the last comments here. Have the neutrality and COI concerns been addressed yet? The nomination cannot be passed while those are still unresolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:06, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
    • Narutolovehinata5, I've had a first go at it. It's prolix, poorly-phrased, and probably the balance needs work. Crit welcome. ALT0 would still work if we specified "some" Saudi clerics; opinions and clerics vary. No-one thinks any of the hook topic suggestions I made are good? I grant that some are rather trivial. HLHJ (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
All of them sound like good hooks, I'm more worried about possible neutrality or sourcing issues in this case. For example, with ALT1, it was already mentioned above that some of the sources that discuss the Book Fair might be promotional or puffery. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Ah, sorry, Narutolovehinata5 I meant the ones I made in the "comment" of my initial nomination. Here are some newer suggestions:
I will cite any serious contenders. HLHJ (talk) 20:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 20[edit]

Tore Wretman

Tore Wretman
Tore Wretman

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 23:52, 25 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Page is new enough, long enough and no copyright issues. It does need a little bit more copy editing, I've started this, and put on a tag, however, this is not a reason to reject/delay a DYK. QPQ is done. The image is in the public domain in Sweden, but not sure if that's good enough for DYK to be honest, so would like a second opinion on that.
The source that you give for the first hook does not support the hook, and it is a primary source (i.e. made by Tore Wretman). Regarding the second hook, the Swedish Deep web page says that he invented it, as well as other sources ([19], [20]) including the official website of Sweden. I would prefer ALT1, but would propose an alternative. Achaea (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT1a: that chef Tore Wretman (pictured) invented Toast Skagen, a dish of prawns on toast?
I would support that alternative hook.BabbaQ (talk) 20:08, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Having reviewed the Commons image, I've tagged it PD-1996, meeting US PD conditions.  JGHowes  talk 20:12, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Happy with the image now, but I can't accept my own hook, so someone else needs to review it. Achaea (talk) 07:57, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Putte Nelsson

Putte Nelsson
Putte Nelsson

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 23:54, 20 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg long enough, new enough, Aftonbladet verifies hook, so that's all good. Thing is, the hook is a bit wordy. Can you condense that whole "played...such as" to "backed up"? That lead is still a bit pedestrian (why is it so noteworthy that he backed them up? Isn't that what musicians do?), but it's shorter and shorter is better. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree. Done. BabbaQ (talk) 09:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21[edit]

MicroG

Created by Yae4 (talk) and Newslinger (talk). Nominated by Yae4 (talk) at 16:07, 22 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Yae4: This article is new enough and barely, barely long enough (1505 characters). No DYK credits, so QPQ-exempt. Hook is cited and interesting; I think more "interesting" hooks might be just confusing. The hook is precisely 200 characters, and I think it might be too long to comfortably read. Is it possible to add a bit more prose and shorten the hook a bit? Raymie (tc) 17:26, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: ALT1 is a shortened version of the hook for comment. I have a couple ideas for adding to the article, and will look at that next. -- Yae4 (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
I like ALT1. Ping me when the article's been expanded a bit. Raymie (tc) 18:53, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
@Raymie: A paragraph has been added to the history section. -- Yae4 (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg That definitely helps! This gets a tick from me. Raymie (tc) 20:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yae4, I think the main concern brought up in WT:DYK § Prep 5: MicroG is that the proposed hooks are not interesting enough to non-technical readers and readers who are unfamiliar with the inner workings of Android. Looking at the article before the recent changes, I would have proposed something like "... that Google bribed users who switched to MicroG with $2 to return to Google Play?" Unfortunately, that claim was tenuously sourced, and I had to remove it. Here are two hooks that may hopefully appeal to laypeople:
    • ALT2:... that MicroG allows users to access Google mobile services on Android without tracking their device activity?
    • ALT3:... that when the LineageOS operating system refused to integrate MicroG software, the project forked its own version with MicroG pre-installed?
      • Source: MicroG released "LineageOS for MicroG", a fork of LineageOS – a free and open-source Android-based operating system – that includes both MicroG and the F-Droid app store as pre-installed software. LineageOS for MicroG was created after LineageOS developers declined to integrate MicroG into LineageOS [...][3][4]

References

  1. ^ a b Gordon, Arielle (7 June 2019). "The Open Source Project That Keeps Google's Hands Off Your Android Data". Vice. Retrieved 19 January 2020.
  2. ^ Vaughan-Nichols, Steven J. (12 November 2019). "The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android phone runs well -- for a beta". ZDNet. Retrieved 21 November 2019.
  3. ^ Leemhuis, Thorsten (4 November 2017). "LineageOS-Ableger vermeidet Google-Code" [LineageOS offshoot avoids Google code]. Heise Online (in German). Retrieved 19 January 2020.
  4. ^ "195284: [RFC] Add signature spoofing permission". LineageOS Gerrit. 10 December 2017. Retrieved 19 January 2020.
— Newslinger talk 14:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Newslinger, Thank you very much for all your article improvements and suggestions here. I like ALT2 best, but could it be worded a little different to avoid saying (completely) without tracking? Although the source says that, I believe it's not technically accurate. True, MicroG doesn't track (I hope/believe), but Google still tracks, if you use their services via MicroG, I believe. Let me know if you think that's too picky. If we could add a weasel word like "almost no tracking" or something, I'd be on board. ALT3 looks good to me as is, but has a little less zest, I think. -- Yae4 (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
No problem! You raise a good point, although I tried to word both the article and ALT2 to avoid saying something untrue. In ALT2, the phrase "without tracking their device activity" refers only to MicroG, since "MicroG" is the subject of the sentence. Because "Google mobile services" is the predicate, the grammar of the sentence prevents the phrase from referring to Google mobile services. It's true that people who use MicroG can still be tracked by Google on the server side, and by any app on either the client or the server side, but the cited Vice article says that MicroG doesn't do any tracking of its own: "MicroG's various components strive to replicate the experience of a fully loaded Android phone without any of the data tracking". Does this address your concern, or would you still prefer to reword the sentence to avoid misleading the reader? — Newslinger talk 16:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
I think "with less tracking of their device activity" would be better. -- Yae4 (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Here it is:
— Newslinger talk 16:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Just remembered that the word "less" needs to compare MicroG to something, since the phrasing in ALT4 is not a fully supported attribution. I've also tweaked the wording for brevity:

References

  1. ^ Vaughan-Nichols, Steven J. (12 November 2019). "The /e/ Google-free, pro-privacy Android phone runs well -- for a beta". ZDNet. Retrieved 21 November 2019.

My guess is that the average reader will be more interested if the hook mentions some well-known apps. — Newslinger talk 02:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I like 7 or 5, and agree 6 & 7 are probably more interesting to average readers, so I vote for 7. -- Yae4 (talk) 04:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Great! I've struck through the rest. — Newslinger talk 04:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22[edit]

Wiener Hofmusikkapelle

  • Reviewed: Gilberto Barragán Balderas
  • Comment: A single sentence article created by DilletantiAnonymous on 12 December, and expanded by me on 22 December.

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk) and DilletantiAnonymous (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 21:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Hi Cwmhiraeth, review follows: article 5x expanded from 22 December; article sufficiently well written and cited inlie throughout to what appear to be reliable sources; there is no copyvio from the two English language sources; hook is interesting and mentioned in article, AGF on foreign-language sourcing; QPQ has been carried out. THis one is good to go for DYK but I found it strange that it wasn't linked from Vienna Boys' Choir and it could use some project tags on the talk page - Dumelow (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, I have done what you suggest. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:29, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I began making it long enough. Will have to go now, but am willing to do more later. The hook is too simple, as the Kapelle still exists, and the boys are part of it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Article has since been shortened and I now count only 1480 characters - Dumelow (talk) 12:44, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, the shortening was my fault, not intended, and I restored the sections. I still read the sources as not supporting the hook. The chapel was singers and players, and the boys only followed the singers. The Wiener Hofkapelle is today run by the state, it seems. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:11, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
@Dumelow: It is plenty large enough now and I have added Gerda to the credits. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Length is now OK. I've asked for another opinion as Gerda has cast doubt on the sourcing. I had AGFed the foreign-language sources here as I don't speak German or Slovenian - Dumelow (talk) 16:50, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

The sources are fine, just the reading. I'll need a day or two until I can get to it, - a death of a politician to care about first, or it won't be "recent" anymore. - Spent all afternoon singing Bach ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 24[edit]

Keep On Chooglin' (song)

  • ... that the Creedence Clearwater Revival song "Keep On Chooglin'" popularized the term "choogling'", which has been interpreted as a sexual term that songwriter John Fogerty described as what happens when "you got to ball and have a good time"? Sources: Décharné: "The word was popularised by Creedence Clearwater Revival with a track on their Bayou Country LP (1969) entitled Keep On Chooglin' (although in their case chooglin' was a slang term for sex)." Kitts: "Cook believes it refers to sex." Austin Chronicle: "According to Fogerty, chooglin' - never, ever 'choogling' - is what happens when 'you got to ball and have a good time.'

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 25 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: the hook is far too long at 240 characters. Mindmatrix 18:40, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I added a shorter (and probably more appropriate) ALT. Rlendog (talk) 00:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 25[edit]

Abel Azcona

  • ... that performance artist Abel Azcona's works take his body to the limits and are usually related to social issues? [23] / see citation in article
    • ALT1:... that Abel Azcona has been sued by the Catholic Church for his artistic work?

Created by Lolay1983 (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 16:16, 28 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The ALT1 hook is interesting but the article itself is ineligible, due to not adhering to neutral point of view and lack of sufficient citations in a BLP. I encourage the nom to address the issues in the article and ping me for a re-review. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Lolay1983 and/or John B123, can you take a look at these issues? = paul2520 (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it appears that Lolay hasn't been active since the day of the nomination, so more eyes may be needed in any case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
I'll have a look. John B123 (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The original editor has since returned to editing and appears to have made changes to the article. A second look is requested; courtesy ping to K.e.coffman. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol delete vote.svg @Paul2520: the page is still not eligible. As of today, there's a new set of tags on the article: 16 Jan version. Please let me know if you plan to do further work on the article. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, K.e.coffman. I can't commit to addressing these issues. I'm not the article creator or expander; I just nominated it as previously it looked like a great new piece.
@Lolay1983, John B123, and Narutolovehinata5: can any of you address the issues? Otherwise, we might have to retract the DYK nom. = paul2520 (talk) 17:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
@Paul2520: I've only really been involved in as far as fixing cite and other errors on the page rather than content. Lolay1983 is working hard to improve the article, but another couple of editors seem to be doing their best to frustrate his efforts. John B123 (talk) 18:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
@John B123: Yes!!! Thank you for your support. Please help me fix the handicaps!Lolay1983 (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 26[edit]

1966 anti-cow slaughter agitation

5x expanded by Winged Blades of Godric (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 26 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Please vet this, after a GOCE copy-edit. WBGconverse 14:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
This is not a review but that lead is way too long. per WP:LEAD, it should be a summary of the article, not a point by point description of the event. The maximum number of paragraphs is generally four. Another useful link to read: Deep web:How to create and manage a good lead section. Cowlibob (talk) 19:30, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Cowlibob, trimmed. WBGconverse

Articles created/expanded on December 27[edit]

Henry Speller

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: First nomination for the creator

Moved to mainspace by Bgourgeot (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 31[edit]

Cartography of Palestine (region)

Map by Pietro Vesconte, 1321.
Map by Pietro Vesconte, 1321.

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 01:34, 2 January 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Most of the comments especially some lengthy ones in each boxes have no sources. You need to add sources for each comment even something as simple as "Copy from 1298" either inline or as a separate notes column. See 1892 Legislative Session of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Also your bibliography from Moscrop 2000 down to Fischer 1940 are not used and are exhibiting the "Harv warning". The bibliography needs to be better organized in alphabetical order by authors. Also the caption of the first paragraph contains a lot of uncited information as well. KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

This fact, cited or not, seems rather unlikely. I mean, what about Strabo's Geographica? It maps a whole series of countries. And the Ancient Egyptians did sophisticated cadastral surveys, and we have a geological map they made in ~1150 BC; I can't imagine that no map of Egypt was ever made. I mean, there was a well-established tourist industry in Herodotus's day, and tourists who had come to see Egypt would presumably have liked to see where they had been. I haven't even started on the quite sophisticated maps often produced by non-literate cultures, which are also underrepresented by history of cartography. Even if, by defining terms really carefully, and ignoring all maps not still preserved, and being a bit Eurocentric, you were able to somehow argue this one, it's an uninformative sort of fact that needs such hard-to-imagine qualifications. The linked article also dramatically contradicts the hook, and its lede contradicts most of its content. HLHJ (talk) 04:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
@HLHJ: thanks for this. I could resolve your first set of points by adding the word “known” or “surviving”, but I am quite taken by your second set of points. How about this version which may generate more clicks:
It’s worded ambiguously to keep it impactful, but the point is to refer to Ptolemy’s map. It could also be plural (maps) and refer more broadly to the first ten or so maps, given that, despite a few of the maps not using the word Palestine, all the earliest maps were created during the time of Syria Palestina, Palestina Prima and Jund Filastin (see also Timeline of the name "Palestine"). Onceinawhile (talk) 03:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Onceinawhile. Referring to the Ptolemaian map, or the first few maps, makes sense. I'm OK with hooks that have double meanings, and the hook would certainly hook attention. In the singular "map", ALT1 is not quite cited (something that explicitly said that X was the earliest known map, or the earliest known one of which we have copies), and in the plural, it isn't cited (and the Jerome map does not seem to say "Palestine").
On citability, I think Strabo did map that area earlier, and it seems unlikely that the Romans left no record of any map of the Roman province of Judea. You might make a "first" hook work here, but it's going to be difficult; and"some of the earliest known" or "some early" has less kick. If, once you've got all the information in this article cited, you aren't sure you can support this hook adequately, then I'll be happy read through it and discuss alternate hooks again.
Separately, I think that in order to use ALT1, the article would need a brief discussion of the history of various names for this region (possibly linked to the Timeline of the name "Palestine" you linked, and Timeline of the name "Judea", and perhaps Names of the Levant -- can't see one for "Isreal"), so that people would go away informed, and not determined to complain to someone (incidentally, should the article title use "Levant", given that the scope seems to be the geographic area, not the nomenclature? Do we have a policy on this?).
I don't think it would make sense to use the 1321 map in an accompanying illustration if the hook does not mention it (the mapmaker of the 1321 map also titles it "Terra Sancta", the Holy Land, and in his Latin caption, refers to both "Cesarea Palestine" and the sons of Isreal; he was working in Venice, so this isn't surprising). Of course, this illustration isn't necessary for your proposed ALT1 hook; you could change the picture, or figure the hook is hooky enough already and leave it out. HLHJ (talk) 05:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @HLHJ: thanks for this. I’ll respond on your other points in due course, but on citability of Ptolemy I have: Nebenzahl, Kenneth (1986). Maps of the Holy Land: Images of Terra Sancta Through Two Millennia. Abbeville Press. p. 14. ISBN 978-0-89659-658-0. Cartography as we know it today begins with this spectacular map of the world at the time of Claudius Ptolemy. It sets the stage for the history of mapping the Holy Land... his work was to become the model for scientific cartography during the great revivals of mapmaking: the tenth-century Golden Age of Islam and the European Renaissance. The rediscovery of Ptolemy in the fifteenth century was particularly important for maps of the Holy Land; it ended the almost complete domination of mapmaking by Church dogma throughout the Middle Ages... Around AD 150 he produced his Geographia, the earliest known atlas of the world.
Your challenge re Strabo could be expanded to include many of the names in the list of Graeco-Roman geographers pre-Ptolemy, many if whom described the Palestine region in their writings. I would like to add a sentence on this in the article if I can find a source confirming that none of them made maps (or at least no maps that are known to us).
Onceinawhile (talk) 08:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Not in the least denying that Ptolemy was important. Eratosthenes might be a better counterexample than Strabo, he is known to have made maps (including all the world he knew) rather than just inspiring them, and he lived practically next door. Face-smile.svg HLHJ (talk) 04:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Yoga Body

  • ... that the preface of the book Yoga Body's Serbian translation was carefully informed and reviewed?

Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by Miraclepine (talk) at 21:48, 1 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Chiswick Chap and Miraclepine: The hook as proposed sounds quite vague. What does it mean by "translation was carefully informed and reviewed"? It might also be a better idea to also propose a hook on the controversies it resulted in. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:01, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes the hook could be stronger.

Hook2: ... that Yoga Body was attacked by saffronising Hindu nationalists? Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 2[edit]

Nun liebe Seel, nun ist es Zeit

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: We'll have to wait for the move request because of a comma that doesn't change the meaning. We could drop the 2 authors bit for brevity, but it's kind of cute, and readers might miss an author.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Francis Schonken (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:24, 9 January 2020 (UTC).

Information Technology (Intermediary Guidelines (Amendment) Rules) 2018

  • Reviewed: Reviewing

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 11:00, 4 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Kautilya3, do these hooks seem ok? Accurate? DTM (talk) 11:10, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Glenn Pool Oil Reserve

Example of an early 20th century oil drilling derrick showing an oil strike
Example of an early 20th century oil drilling derrick showing an oil strike

Created by GenQuest (talk). Self-nominated at 13:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC).

/wiki/File:Symbol_confirmed.svg The article Glenn Pool Oil Reserve is new enough, long enough (over 1500 characters) and meets Deep web policies.

/wiki/File:Symbol_confirmed.svg The first four hooks are factual and well within the character limit, but only if the in-line citation is not counted. This reviewer has added ALT4, which specifically identifies the well driller and his link to a world renowned local museum. The reviewer believes may attract more potential readers to the main article and therefore is a stronger hook. /wiki/File:Symbol_confirmed.svg** ALT4:... that Thomas Gilcrease, a part-Creek multi-millionaire who founded the Gilcrease Museum, made much of his wealth from producing oil in the Glenn Pool Oil Reserve? (169 characters)

Symbol confirmed.svg I recommend uploading this DYK

Reviewer: Bruin2 (talk) 21:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Bruin2, thanks for the review. For future reference, the icon should only be used once to conclude the review, and it should be the icon template (available above the edit window) rather than a link to the icon image. So I only converted the last of your links. Also, when you propose a hook of your own, you cannot also approve it; it needs to be checked by someone else. (Note that in counting a hook, only "that" through the final "?" are counted, and then only the final version as displayed, not the various bolding and wikilinking characters that don't display. ALT1 counts as 182 characters, not 197.)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check ALT4, as it was proposed by the prior reviewer and cannot be approved by them. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 3[edit]

Sarah Ellerby

  • Comment: This is the first DYK nomination I'm making.

Created by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Self-nominated at 20:27, 3 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Ive deleted the unused ALT for you, and the hook is a little wordy, Benny. How about:
Is there any way to clarify if they mean blackball instead of eight-ball for her UK title wins? It seems more likely, and it's a different game. There is no sign of her on European Pool Championships for example. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 10:10, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 4[edit]

Winifred Lamb

  • ... that archaeologist Winifred Lamb deciphered submarine codes during WW1?

Improved to Good Article status by Eritha (talk). Self-nominated at 22:03, 4 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is in date (actually passed GA status on 3 January, but a day is not much to quibble over. It is long enough, well sourced, meets all policies. No significant copyvio detected, no QPQ needed as you do not have any previous credits. AGF on offline sources. As to the hook, the article states "she probably worked" - not that she definitely did, as the hook states. "Submarine codes" is ambiguous in the context of military operations, why not use what the article uses - "coded messages sent to German submarines"? Similarly it would be better to write 'World War I' or 'First World War' as the article does, rather than WW1. As to being an 'archaeologist', she had studied "Classics with a specialisation in Classical Archaeology", and undertaken some archaeological fieldwork during her studies, but her career as an archaeologist seems to have only begun after the war, she went straight from being a student to war work. P.S. This wasn't picked up at the GA review, and is not neccesary for passing this DYK nom, but the phrasing "leaving after the end of the war in December 1918" would probably be better worded as "leaving after the war, in December 1918." So as not to confuse the subject and imply the war's end was in December, and with "after", "the end" is redundant. Otherwise, the article seems up to scratch, but the hook needs addressing. Spokoyni (talk) 01:59, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, all good points! hook could be changed to "... that archaeologist Winifred Lamb worked as a codebreaker during World War 1?" to avoid the 'probably' issue. I described her as an archaeologist as that's what she's best known for (as well as her museum curatorial work), and she was collecting and carrying out archaeological work (in the British Museum; publishing in JHS) during her war-work as well, but something like "... that archaeologist Winifred Lamb had previously worked as a codebreaker during World War 1?" would make it clearer that the bulk of her archaeological work came afterwards? Eritha (talk) 10:29, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

A lot of these changes look good - I have to say I think the thrust of the hook is excellent, not often you think of someone whose primary interests and career were in archaeology taking a role in cutting edge military cryptography (though Dilly Knox had a similar background). I think the 'previously' addition neatly deals with the issue I raised, 'codebreaker' reads fine to me. It's still the 'probably' that is causing me thought though. We know she worked at Room 40, which was the cryptanalysis section of naval intelligence. But there were other jobs and roles within it besides codebreaking - later in the war direction finding became an important part for example. Do we know for sure that she was doing codebreaking? If we can't be sure, perhaps something like the alts I've drawn up might work? By the way, it is a very interesting article and a great read on a fascinating individual! Spokoyni (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that archaeologist Winifred Lamb had previously worked as a codebreaker during World War I? - if the codebreaker role is explicitely known and sourced, otherwise perhaps:
  • ALT2 ... that archaeologist Winifred Lamb had previously worked in naval intelligence during World War I?
  • ALT3 ... that archaeologist Winifred Lamb had previously worked in Room 40, the Royal Navy's cryptanalysis section, during World War I?

I have double-checked sources and they don't make it entirely clear, so ALT2 or ALT3 would be best, I am happy with either! and thanks, I'm glad you found it an interesting article :) Eritha (talk) 12:36, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Sounds good! Requesting third party approval of Alts 2 and 3 since I proposed the hooks. Spokoyni (talk) 14:09, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 5[edit]

Annelien Van Wauwe

Annelien Van Wauwe
Annelien Van Wauwe
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: This is a first nomination for a user who is not yet familiar with DYK.

Created by Gisel (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

Lawrence Milner

Created by Aboudaqn (talk). Nominated at 23:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC).

JoAnne Graf

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:15, 5 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately sourced, and free from close paraphrasing. I prefer ALT1 since I'm not sure if "winningest" is an encyclopedic term but also because it sounds more interesting as it focuses on her career. A QPQ has been provided QPQ pending. This is almost ready to go, I just need confirmation if she remains the winningest coach as of 2020 since the source given is from 2008. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT1. I'm not sure why the Seminoles or Division I softball aren't linked, though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @HickoryOughtShirt?4: @Narutolovehinata5: @Yoninah: I'm reopening this one, because at the time it hit the queue it said the following:
    ... that as coach of the Florida State Seminoles, JoAnne Graf logged the most wins in the history of NCAA Division I softball, with 1,437?
    Which I see doesn't quite match the hook that was approved above, I'm not sure why. Anyway, as stated this is clearly not correct as from List of college softball coaches with 1,000 wins we see that several other coaches have logged higher numbers of wins since her retirement. Also there's a discrepancy between the number on that page for Graf (1,186) and the figure from the article (1,437). Are some games not included in the list? Anyway, I think we need a new version of the hook that makes it crystal clear that the record was held only at the time of her retirement, not as of 2020. ALT1 sort of states that, but it could be clearer. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
If there's a discrepancy with her total number of wins, maybe a hook that combined aspects of ALT1a and ALT1b could work?
  • ALT1c: ... that at the time of her retirement in 2008, Florida State Seminoles coach JoAnne Graf held the record for most wins in the history of NCAA Division I softball?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, do you approve of the new Alts? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
As I mentioned above, I'm not sure if ALT1a or ALT1b are wholly accurate considering the number of wins apparently excludes a number of wins, as discussed above. It might be a good idea to ask for a second opinion here; I'm hesitant to give a new tick as I proposed a new hook above. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:01, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Oops, sorry. For some reason I missed your text and thought you just signed by accident. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 01:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check the remaining ALT hooks, to see whether they are are sufficiently accurate. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 6[edit]

2020 JNU Attack

  • ... that Congress party described the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack as "state-sponsored terrorism", resembling those during the Nazi rule? Source: "Congress describing the rampage by masked goons as an example of "state-sponsored terrorism" reminiscent of Nazi rule." (source link )
    • ALT1:... that Deepika Padukone was subjected to massive criticism by members of the ruling BJP after her visit to stand in solidarity with the victims of the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack? Source: "After her visit to JNU, the actor was at the receiving end of immense criticism from members of the ruling BJP including Tajinder Bagga, who urged people to boycott her film." (Source: link [26])
    • ALT2:... that Deepika Padukone's visit to stand in solidarity with the victims of the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack was praised for standing up against a crackdown on dissent? Source: "as well as praise for being a rare Bollywood A-lister to stand up against a crackdown on dissent." (Source: [27])
    • ALT3:... that two police cases were filed against a victim of the Jawaharlal Nehru University attack? Source: "Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) students' union president Aishe Ghosh was named in two police cases filed in a span of four minutes on Sunday evening, shortly after she was taken to hospital bleeding from a brutal attack by a masked mob." (Source: [28])

Created by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC).

  • @DBigXray: This is not a review but that hook is not acceptable as it is not neutral. We can't use an opposition party statement blaming an incident on a government especially with such inflammatory language as the above. Please consider offering another which has a more neutral point of view. Cowlibob (talk) 01:43, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
I have added 3 Alts. DBigXray 14:47, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed, including of the ALT hooks. (I have struck the original one per Cowlibob.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]

Christopher Wollter

Christopher Wollter
Christopher Wollter

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 19:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article created on 7 January so new enough, long enough (1961). The article needs some serious copyediting, there are numerous spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. So I can't assess criteria such as within policy until that has been done. The hook given is also really uninteresting. Is there nothing notable about his life apart from his great-uncle being Sven Wollter? Also an inline citation for his birthday. Adequate QPQ provided. Cowlibob (talk) 12:06, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Something went wrong with the Qpq so fixed it. Anyways, the rest of your concerns will be dealt with shortly.BabbaQ (talk) 13:17, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Julia Dufvenius

Julia Dufvenius
Julia Dufvenius

Created by BabbaQ (talk). Self-nominated at 19:12, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough (January 7), long enough (2474). The hook is interesting and verified by ref 9. Adequate QPQ provided. Reference needed for full name as well as date of birth. This article also needs significant copyediting. Really odd phrasing such as "where her parents raised her in a collective", what does this mean? "Dufvenius then got an education in acting". The whole fire section "a story about Eino Hanski that was partly filmed in the Soviet Union and several people in the production died in a fire at the hotel where they were staying". The references are not formatted correctly. Newspapers/magazines should use cite news. Aftonbladet and Expressen are both tabloid newspapers so we should not really use them as a reference. In the references, there are also missing publishers e.g. reference 12 and the language the sources are in should be specified e.g. language=Swedish. Cowlibob (talk) 12:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Aftonbladet and Expressen are not equal to The Sun or Daily Mail. They don’t report mainly on celebrities actually pretty minor coverage. They are considered Newspapers in Swedem with established reporters and political analysist etc. They are not tabloids. The rest of your concerns will be dealt with shortly.BabbaQ (talk) 13:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Reynhard Sinaga

Created by Berrocca addict (talk) and Philip Cross (talk). Nominated by Sentausa (talk) at 16:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Please tone down the hook. You can say he's a convicted rapist without going into so much detail. You could write a hook comparing his later deeds with his early background, or about how he was finally caught. As his victims are still alive, striking ALT1 for possibly distressing them and their families. Yoninah (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I just added 2 alternative hooks. Honestly I don't know how to tone down the hook as everything in the article is quite distressing even for me. sentausa (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps something about the 500% increase (the biggest rise in the charity's history) in calls to the hotline for the sexual abuse survivor charity after his sentencing? Cowlibob (talk) 16:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

2019–20 China pneumonia outbreak

  • ... that a new coronavirus has been found to be the cause of the 2019–20 China pneumonia outbreak? a new coronavirus has been identified in Wuhan's unexplained pneumonia outbreak [31]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: Zanardinia
  • Comment: a number of authors, still evolving article

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk), TheGreatSG'rean (talk), Jtamad (talk), Bdgzczy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 13:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and well referenced. It's a bit rambling with too many minor details, but ok for DYK purposes. Hook is interesting and verified. There are some minor close paraphrasing issues, see Earwig. QPQ not yet done. -Zanhe (talk) 18:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you @Zanhe:... Earlier, information appears to have been reported in secondary sources via Chinese frontline researchers whose posts were translated on certain infectious disease forums, before official statements. I'll trim it further. I'll check through the earwig. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:44, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
@Whispyhistory: The article has been nominated at WP:ITN, and it seems likely that it'll be posted for blurb or ongoing. If that happens this will no longer qualify for DYK (but I've added you as the updater so you'll receive ITN credit if posted). -Zanhe (talk) 07:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Shōji

Shōji are removable walls that transmit light
Shōji are removable walls that transmit light
  • ... that shōji are intended to transmit light? Source: "The washi paper creates a unique effect by refracting (sic) and diffusing light. The rays that pour through the screen are soft and muted, bright enough to illuminate a room yet dim enough to keep a person from being blinded." [32] "The washi paper used for shoji screens is made with a specific thinness that allows just the right amount of light to go through. By changing the fiber direction and thickness, washi can control two opposing optical factors such as reflection rate and transparency. Shoji’s paper surface scatters sunlight evenly, making it soft to the eye and allowing light to distribute evenly. This function of washi makes it particularly suitable for indoor lighting fixtures such as Isamu Noguchi’s famous “Akari” lamp shades. Even at night, shoji screens help light a room as their white surface reflects indoor light and brightens the room." Shoji Screens, Sukiya Living Magazine
    • ALT1:... that shōji are not made with rice paper, but ~since the Edo period, some have been made with synthetic fibers? Source:"By the Edo Period (1603-1968), shoji appeared much as they do today... The paper was once considered valuable and scarce because it was hand-made of natural materials. However, commercial manufacturing, which began in the late 1800s, as well as the introduction of synthetic fibers in the 1960s helped make the paper more affordable and easier to come by." [33] "The use of synthetic and chemical fiber started around 1960s, making the paper very affordable." [34] Source: "Shoji paper is made of traditional paper called washi. Some casual gaijin like to call it “rice paper,” but this is a myth. In fact, washi has nothing to do with rice." Shoji Screens, Sukiya Living Magazine Source: "The paper is translucent and is called 'shoji paper'. Sometimes people call it 'rice paper' (since it sounds 'oriental'?), but shoji paper really has nothing to do with rice."[35]
    • ALT2:... that a traditional sukiya-zukuri-style Japanese house may have no permanent walls at all, with even the exterior walls being movable and removable partitions, such as shōji? Source: "The sliding doors and windows in a Japanese house can be removed from their rails and stored in a hallway or adjacent room. Taking the doors out makes the room bigger, more open, and better integrated with other spaces such as the garden. The practice of removing the doors is common whenever a big room is needed for events like parties and funerals. If you live in a Japanese house, there is no need to be shy about removing the doors, but you have to be a little careful too. The doors are somewhat delicate and each of them is likely to be slightly different than the others. You need to remember the order in which they came out so they can be put back in the same order. Otherwise, you might find that some of the doors do not slide so easily...In fact, the graceful nature of shoji is a defining note of the Sukiya Living environment." Shoji Screens, Sukiya Living Magazine (see also "The better known (and more influential) sukiya style is in some ways related to the shoin style. " [36]) Source: "This sliding shoji door and track system worked so well in traditional Japanese house, because a house used to have only one large room with no permanent walls, in the old times." [37]
  • Reviewed: Laem Phak Bia
  • Comment: On the first one, shoji are formally and somewhat archaically called akari-shōji (明障子); "akari" means "light" (the kanji character is a picture of the sun and moon)

5x expanded by HLHJ (talk). Self-nominated at 05:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC).

  • If someone who can speak Japanese would be willing to read through this, I'd be very glad of it (comments also welcome from those who can't speak Japanese). HLHJ (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

John Papworth (plasterer)

Chapel at Greenwich Hospital
Chapel at Greenwich Hospital

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

I think pge 34 may have been intended? Article was created 7 January; article is well written but after I take out the quotes I only count 1413 characters so is marginally short. No overly close paraphrasing found; image is excellent and free and a QPQ had been done. A little expansion and confirmation of the page number and I think this will be good - Dumelow (talk) 18:36, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Dumelow. I have corrected the citation and expanded the text a little, but the sources are very limited. I had to add the story of his son falling off the scaffolding, which I didn't want to do because I don't fully understand the story. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
My take on it was that it was a fanciful story made up by the guide to add interest and it was disproved by the son saying that he was the workman who did the plastering and so could not have died; though perhaps best not to use if it is open to interpretation. There is a mention in his grandson's Dictionary of National Biography entry that "John Papworth was ‘master-plaisterer’ at St. James's and Kensington Palaces from 1780", maybe worth a mention? This book extract about Great Portland Street states: " Richard Ripley, an assistant to Sir William Chambers, lived at No.88 around 1780 and Chambers himself lived on Norton Street in the 1790s. His favoured stuccoist John Papworth was at 86 Great Portland Street in the late 1790s, his last years, with his son J. B. Papworth, then embarking on his architectural career", which may help emphasise the connection with Chambers? This journal article states he also did work at Berkeley Square "including taking down the ornamental frieze and architrave in the Front Drawing Room and repairing the cornice between August and November 1789" for Lady Powis (wife of George Herbert, 2nd Earl of Powis) - Dumelow (talk) 22:05, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I took the liberty of expanding the article with the above info and removing the scaffolding story. The article is now plenty long enough but somebody else should probably give it the tick - Dumelow (talk) 08:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia

Lithograph of Jerusalem in 1839
Lithograph of Jerusalem in 1839

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 00:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 8[edit]

Dedham Covenant

  • ... that the Dedham Covenant was meant to be eternally binding? Lockridge page 7

Converted from a redirect by Slugger O'Toole (talk). Nominated by Miraclepine (talk) at 17:13, 8 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Hook fact is interesting and appropriately cited inline to an offline hook for which I will AGF. Spotchecks on some of the available sources reveal no copyvio or close para-phrasing concerns. Some tidying is needed in the referencing though: Smith 1936 is not provided in the Works cited. Otherwise, nice work. Harrias talk 20:55, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
@Harrias: I found the book written by Mr. Smith in 1936 @Slugger O'Toole: uses in several Dedham articles and put it in the works cited section. Anything else? ミラP 01:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

History of anarchism

Improved to Good Article status by Cinadon36 (talk) and Czar (talk). Nominated by Miraclepine (talk) at 03:02, 10 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Note that I'm having trouble trying to word out the whole "anarchy older than society" thing, so I'll ask Czar and the reviewer to assist. ミラP 03:08, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I wonder if it would be worth running a comparative hook, like "... that the history of anarchism ranges from the anti-globalization movement to prehistoric times?" or "... that in the history of anarchism, the X event was Y?". The "prehistoric" bit has a split article: Precursors of anarchism. Most of its contents are about ideological overlap with anarchist principles with no explicit link to what became known as the anarchist movement itself, so probably best to not make the history article's hook solely about prehistory. @Cinadon36, any ideas/thoughts on what might be interesting to call out on WP's main page? czar 11:36, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Czar, thanks for the ping. Well I 'd prefer something to be said/asked on the history of anarchism taken from the classical or current era. History of anarchism dating back to prehistoric times, it is an estimation shared by manys scholars, but not a hard fact. But it would be very difficult to find a fact because of the article being an abstract topic. So, may I suggest "... that French May was a turning point in the history of anarchism?" or "Proudhon was the first man in the history of anarchism to identify himself as an anarchist?" or "...the first time in the history of anarchism that the libertarian principles came closer to reality was during the Spanish Revolution of 36?" (I acknowledge that the latter is a little vague)Cinadon36 12:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
I like.
@Cinadon36, thoughts? (Each of these claims need to be directly cited within the article with an immediate citation.) czar 03:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
I like them both but I slightly prefer the forth option. Reason is that it makes sence to mention the classical era as that period gets the lions share compare to other parts of history of anarchism. I am ok with both alternatives though.Cinadon36 09:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
@Cinadon36, for ALT3's claim, the article cites Berry 2019, pp. 457–465. Do you have a more specific location for this specific claim? For ALT4's claim, the article cites Kinna & Prichard 2009, p. 270, and Yeoman 2019, p. 441, as the end of the Spanish Civil War being the decline of anarchist thought but do you have a source that asserts that it is also the end of the "classical era"? (The DYK hook's text needs to be directly supported within the article.) czar 15:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 9[edit]

Bill Hare

  • Reviewed: N/A—1 DYK nom & credit so far
  • Comment: Article created 7 days ago on 9 January. Sources for all hooks:
  1. Deke Sharon, founder and longtime president of the Contemporary A Cappella Society, wrote in his 2018 book that "the sound of contemporary recorded a cappella owes more to [Bill Hare's] technique, style, and pioneering than any other person."
  2. The writer whose book became Pitch Perfect wrote in 2008 that, "in many ways, the history of collegiate a cappella recording is the Bill Hare story. Bill Hare is sort of like the Dr. Dre of a cappella recording."
  3. "Producer Bill Hare ... had changed the game by being the first to mic individual voices while recording, and to mic singers as one would instruments if they are indeed singing instrumental parts." —2015 Flavorwire article about Pitch Perfect

Created by Shrinkydinks (talk). Self-nominated at 23:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

Elke Heidenreich

Elke Heidenreich in 2012
Elke Heidenreich in 2012
  • Reviewed: to come

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

Megxit

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex in 2018
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex in 2018

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk) and Britishfinance (talk). Nominated by Britishfinance (talk) at 12:53, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Weak support as I would've preferred to have nominated this article for the "In the news" feature on the Deep web:Homepage. I think this "Did You Know?," in this context and/or as it is worded, is very niche-y and sort of "so what!?" That being said, as the #1 trending topic on Twitter, this should be definitely featured in the "In the news" section, I think. Doug Mehus T·C 15:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • This is not something I would expect to see on the Main Page as a qualifying article. It is an endless barrage of insignificant information, who said what and which newspaper ran which title. There are more paragraphs in the article than there are sentences without quotation marks. I removed a sentence about Trump's opinion, but found it to be like trying to fix a flat tire with a band-aid. The article should be stripped down to what is essential rather than go on and on about why it's called what it's called. Also, not everything anyone anywhere said about it should be quoted. Surtsicna (talk) 15:56, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The recent AfD of this article "Deep web:Articles for deletion/Megxit" shows that there is significant community support for this article, which is understandable, given that it has been covered in depth by almost every WP:RS/P in the world. If we added in every article that only WP:RS/Ps wrote about this affair, we would have an article 5x the current size.
This event has opened up issues re the structure of the UK monarchy and perceptions of racism (hence "Megxit"); the NYT article above is another example of how notable the highest-grade RS considers this event. The New York Times has now written several full pieces on "Megxit", and the event is only 7 days old.
As noted at the end of the AfD, even today, just seven days after the event, we have SIGCOV pieces in The New York Times, Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal on "Megxit". I think this should be worthy of a DYK; it already has significantly greater notability (per volume of high-grade RS SIGCOV pieces), than many other DYKs? Britishfinance (talk) 21:12, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Let's be honest - the article barely survived the AfD. But that does not matter now. I am not talking about the notability of the topic here. I am talking about the content of the article. It's virtually all about who said what about it and we are quoting everyone who's voiced an opinion: friends, grandmas, politicians who do not care, politicians whom it does not concern, professors with big imagination, foul-mouthed Brexit campaigners, and of course - countless journalists. There are twice as many quotation marks in the article as there are commas. It reads like a teenagers' group chat. Surtsicna (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Deep web:Articles for deletion/Megxit had 26 Keeps (plus 2 more renames, which are Keeps, giving 28 Keeps) vs. 6 Redirects vs. 5 Deletes. Almost half of the total Redirects/Deletes were the first AfD !votes cast on the day the article was being created; after this first day, we have 28 Keeps vs 6 Redirects/Deletes? That is very unfair to say it "barely survived AfD"? You are not being objective here - both in your analysis of AfD and your comments on the article above? Britishfinance (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Deep web is not a democracy. The editors closing AfD discussions do not simply count votes. I do not know how you imagine I could be subjective in my misgivings about the quality of the article. I hope this will be addressed; as it stands now, the substance is lost in the endless quotes. Surtsicna (talk) 01:25, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
We don't count !votes, but I concur with Britishfinance...it didn't "barely survive AfD." In fact, there's some argument to renaming, but there was absolutely no appetite for deletion. If you want to go ahead and re-nominate it in a month or two, Surtsicna, you're most welcome to try, but I suspect you'll encounter a snow keep. ;) Doug Mehus T·C 01:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
If I went through the AfD arguments, it was shown early on that the article could not be a Delete because the volume of high-grade RS specifically focused on "Megxit" meant that it would always at least be a Redirect; so it was 28 Keeps vs. 6 Redirects. The few Redirects advocating NOTNEWS and TOOSOON were not considered persuasive and/or were shown to be misconstrued. I don't think your comments are fair to the people who have worked on the article – parsing through one of the biggest stories of the last 12 months so ensure that only the highest grade-RS is chronicled (and there is an epic amount of junk and false RS on this topic), is part of what Deep web does for readers. IMHO, many Deep web current event stories (and this is only 8 days old), use quotes, to ensure the reader is clear on the accepted fact-base of the story. Britishfinance (talk) 11:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Travolta dress is an article you created. It is a very beautiful and well-constructed article (better than what I do), however, it was also DYK'ed and is nowhere near as notable a topic as Megxit (e.g. the Queen did not issue a personal statement on the Travolta dress, and the depth of high-grade RS on it is smaller), and the article itself is full of quotes (almost every paragraph), about what people said regarding the Travolta dress (which makes sense), but that is same for "Megxit? Britishfinance (talk) 13:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Once again, I am not discussing the notability of the topic. I am discussing the quality of the article. The article about the Travolta dress quotes one person, a fashion journalist; in contrast, the article about "Megxit" quotes everyone and their mother. For example, I cannot see how the opinions of Nigel Farage and Donald Trump could be pertinent. Even Boris Johnson does not consider his own opinion to be of much relevance (and yet we quote him too, saying exactly that). Then there are five paragraphs of the etymology behind the term "Megxit". The essence of the matter is lost in all this. Surtsicna (talk) 13:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I also agree with Netwalker3's assessment that far too much of this article is opinion. Surtsicna (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I was not discussing notability, I was responding to your comment that the article "barely survived AfD", and I also to your concern that the article used quotes. I wanted to compare your DYK of Travolta dress (which I would have supported), with your objections to Megxit, which I feel is a much stronger DYK candidate; proportionally they have the same number of quotes, and use of quotation marks in the text to convey what others said. I am confused, but I am new to DYK in any event. Britishfinance (talk) 18:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Alternate Proposal 4 Given the ongoing nature of this, for now, feature Megxit at Portal:Current events such that it gets features in the "Ongoing" section of "In the news..." at Main Page. It's highly topical and this is where it should be. In a year's time or so, it might be worth featuring this article as a featured homepage article as a sort of "On this day..." Doug Mehus T·C 01:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
I think we have both a good DYK here (I think I have given several interesting hooks above?) and an ITN option? thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 11:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Britishfinance, I'd support that and prefer your Alt 2 option. How's that? Doug Mehus T·C 16:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Dmehus, that sounds good to me - I think any of these hooks could work? thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 18:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Britishfinance, Alt 1 is potentially workable as well, but I think #3 is too tabloid-y and #1 is too...meh/"who cares!?" Doug Mehus T·C 18:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Dmehus, I have also updated Alt 3 post the announcements yesterday – now back up by the strongest RS in Britain (incl. the BBC)? Britishfinance (talk) 21:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Possession (Joywave album)

  • ... that Joywave's third album Possession incorporates samples of audio from the Voyager Golden Record into its songs? Source: axs.com — "Possession takes its cover art and some audio samples from the Voyager's Golden Record"
  • Reviewed: Road Rash (video game)
  • Comment: Would it be possible at all to have this DYK hook, if approved, appear during the album's release day (March 13)?

Converted from a redirect by Aria1561 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article became a non-redirect on January 9, 2020 by Aria1561, therefore it classifies as new.
  • It has a "readable prose size" with 2696 characters (462 words).
  • Unlikely copyright violation with 25.9% of confidence.
  • Hook properly formatted, short enough, no neutrality problems.
  • The request to appear during the album's release day surpasses the six week maximum, so it needs a consensus at WT:DYK due to 'Special occasion hold requests' sub-section on DYK's reviewing guide that states, "The nomination should be made between at least one week prior to the occasion date, to allow time for reviews and promotions through the prep and queue sets, but not more than six weeks in advance [...] The timeline limitations, including the six week maximum, may be waived by consensus, if a request is made at WT:DYK, but requests are not always successful.." I already opened a thread there to gain a consensus from the community. If the request is unsuccessful, the DYK nomination will be approved. Regards, Paparazzzi (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Mastoureh Afshar

5x expanded by Droodkin (talk). Self-nominated at 10:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC).

Pulp (manga magazine), Animerica Extra

  • ... that the American manga magazines Pulp and Animerica Extra were launched to capitalize on the boom in the popularity of anime among English-language audiences in the 1990s? Source: Manga in America: Transnational Book Publishing and the Domestication of Japanese Comics
    • ALT1:... that Pulp and Animerica Extra were among the first outlets to publish English-language translations of manga for a young adult and adult audience? Source: Manga in America: Transnational Book Publishing and the Domestication of Japanese Comics

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 10[edit]

Wolfgang Rehm

Wolfgang Rehm in 2014
Wolfgang Rehm in 2014
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg It appears that the article was started on January 9, not the 10th. Perhaps I have missed something here that you can explain. Also the piano sonatas like in the hook goes to a List of solo piano compositions by Mozart. Where is that in the article? Are there references for it. Also I noticed that it is indicated that the QPQ is to come. Once these issues are cleared up, then I will continue with the review.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for some patience and hopefully lenience. I was on vacation, missed that while I started 10 January, LouisAlain began a day earlier, and had barely time to word a hook. I'm back home but behind with several other things. Sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Kid Krow

Conan Gray in 2019
Conan Gray in 2019
  • ... that the upcoming debut album Kid Krow by Conan Gray (pictured) is inspired by his difficult upbringing in Georgetown, Texas? Source: Conan Gray Says His Forthcoming Album Kid Krow Was Inspired by His 'Pretty Tough' Childhood (People) Conan Gray on Being the Pop Prince of Sad Internet Teens, Growing Up in Texas, and His Upcoming Debut Album (Teen Vogue)
  • Reviewed: Courtois Hills
  • Comment: The Teen Vogue source indicates that Gray specifically grew up in Georgetown, however I couldn't find a place to put it in the album's article. ALT2 is more interesting yet controversial because despite the fact that he found it difficult growing up mixed-race in Texas is present in many articles (Teen Vogue: "Being a mixed-race kid growing up in Texas definitely affected who I am as a person, [it] made me feel like I didn't really belong anywhere." Notion: "Growing up in the middle of Texas being mixed race made him feel isolated, for example, he was one of three Asian kids in his entire high school of 2000 students..."), we have yet to find out if that specific theme is present in the album.

Converted from a redirect by Gjh fan (talk) and HeyitsBen (talk). Nominated by HeyitsBen (talk) at 11:57, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

Life Is Good (song)

Converted from a redirect by Trillfendi (talk). Self-nominated at 20:44, 10 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment. Why is this written as if it's fact? I'm quite sure DYK nominations are not supposed to be presenting things as fact when they're not, or misleading readers simply to be "quirky" or "funny". Ss112 18:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Future and Drake did actually work at a McDonald’s for a day, which the source given clearly says. The first source also says right there in the headline “Future and Drake hold down odd jobs in Life Is Good video”, so once again no one is trying to tickle your funny bone. If you have an Alt to offer then do so. ⌚️ (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I also wonder why you're piping the link and writing a hook about something other than the subject, which is the song? Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 11[edit]

In dich hab ich gehoffet, Herr

Beginning of the chorale in the St Matthew Passion
Beginning of the chorale in the St Matthew Passion
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: the use of various melodies is even more interesting, but I have no way to word that in the few permitted characters - the psalm article will be improved - perhaps during Lent then?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Francis Schonken (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Tyreece John-Jules

Created by GiantSnowman (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 06:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

I Like to Watch

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:54, 11 January 2020 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - No - I don't know what Gogglebox is, and "more glamour" is rather vapid. Perhaps note that it's hosted by drag queens, that's rather unusual?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Only checked the main hook, the alt hook is rather long and IMHO also not very interesting. Sandstein 12:35, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Pitfalls

Improved to Good Article status by Cognissonance (talk). Self-nominated at 19:38, 11 January 2020 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Two comments, hopefully both relatively easy fixes. First, I'm struggling to find anything in ref 15 (Sonic Perspectives) that refers to the hook. Could you give specific help? Second, the use of quotation marks in the hook implies a direct quote, which isn't the case in the article—the article uses the wording "...when Solberg was immersed in a flow state". If there's a quote to use the colloquial phrase "in the zone" then that's great and we should add it, but if not the hook should be reworded to something like "... that the final song on the 2019 album Pitfalls was created while in a state of flow"? That said, I hope you can find a direct citation to use the phrase "in the zone". MIDI (talk) 13:04, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

@MIDI: He said he was in a flow, which refers to the same phenomenon. The quotation marks are only there because it's an informal term. Cognissonance (talk) 17:59, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Where, specifically, is this in the reference please? I still can't find it. MIDI (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
@MIDI: From 14:43 to 15:58 in the interview. He also mentions this flow in ref. 7. Cognissonance (talk) 01:27, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! For clarity, the exact quote is "...it's probably, except "Below", the song that I wrote fastest. Sometimes you just get in flow...". I have updated the review to reflect that this is now a verified citation. I've softened on my stance of using the quotation marks, but I'm not sure how remarkable being in the zone is in these circumstances. May I propose an alternative hook that builds on your original one? MIDI (talk) 10:25, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT1: "... that the longest song on Pitfalls was one of the fastest to be written, as the composer was in a creative state of flow?"
@MIDI: I'm sorry, but that wouldn't hook me. It's too long and all over the place. I still think that the primary meat to this hook should be the flow state a.k.a. "the zone". The current hook is more succinct and direct. Cognissonance (talk) 11:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
I can't agree with your above points, simply because I don't believe there is anything particularly remarkable or hooky about a creative person being in such a mindset while producing or undertaking their art. I think I'll have to stand back from this review and let another editor take over, and for that I apologise. MIDI (talk) 12:18, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Would another editor please take over the review of this DYK nomination? MIDI (talk) 12:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey, new reviewer. This is a timely GA nomination, QPQ present, no textual problems I can see. I have to agree with MIDI here, Cognissonance. ALT1 doesn't strike me as hooky, either. I'd like to suggest an ALT2: Raymie (tc) 05:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that the 2019 album Pitfalls was written during a depressive period in Leprous vocalist Einar Solberg's life, "no filters, no metaphors, just the truth"? Source
@Raymie: I'm not gonna let someone else write a hook for my nomination. Cognissonance (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
I won't poke the bear, but I will say that I have suggested hooks for nominations that have gone up to the Main Page: Cypress Creek Middle High School, The Beautiful World of Jeffree Star, Union Literary Institute, Girl on the Third Floor. Raymie (tc) 05:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment re: ALT1: The hook and cite match, but the article doesn't state that the album was one of Mike Portnoy's favourite albums of the year—rather, that he included it in a list of best albums. These are not necessarily interchangeable terms; to appreciate something's quality isn't the same as liking it. That said, it should be an easy fix to reword the article—I have not done this myself as there are multiple citations for one sentence and I haven't the time to ensure whatever I reword doesn't change the other citations. MIDI (talk) 21:05, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
  • The hook doesn't have to be identical to what's in the article. Cognissonance (talk) 10:31, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • No, but as I've said, the wording in the article may imply a different meaning to the wording of the source. You've brought this DYK nomination for review and seem to not be happy with any feedback from editors. Please consider that others are able to review the hook and article objectively, and that they are more likely to want to help if met with a constructive attitude. MIDI (talk) 10:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • It's not feedback to push hooks on another editor's nomination, especially when every one of mine is rejected, which makes me think you just want your own work to be passed. If I were open to that I wouldn't have nominated it in the first place. Cognissonance (talk) 11:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

French Bank of California v. First National Bank of Louisville

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 08:32, 11 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Invalid nomination. The Rainmaker affiliation has been removed because the source[41] for it makes absolutely no mention of the movie....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:59, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
This editor went and reinserted the invalid reference for the third time even though he was told[42] it was not a proper source....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:01, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Massive: Gay Erotic Manga and the Men Who Make It, Gai Mizuki, Takeshi Matsu

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 12[edit]

Ager Vaticanus

Detail of the Ager Vaticanus from a map of Pirro Ligorio from 1561
Detail of the Ager Vaticanus from a map of Pirro Ligorio from 1561
  • ... that the Ager Vaticanus (pictured) possibly derives its name from Vagitanus, the Roman god of the wailings? Source: "...per Varrone, era sede del dio dei vagiti..." (Delli, p.947)
    • ALT1:... that the Ager Vaticanus (pictured) was famous by the Romans for its unhealthy climate and bad wine? Source: "...il territorio veniva citato, ma solo per il suo pessimo vino e il suo cattivo clima" (Liverani, p. 21)

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg --evrik (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

  • I'd like to see the article copyedited a bit so it flows better. Earwig still needs to be run. --evrik (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hallo @Evrik: thanks for reviewing! I copyedited the article to my best to remove many italianisms; I hope that it is ok for you now! Alex2006 (talk) 08:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on January 13[edit]

Shortarse feelerfish

  • is a deepsea tripod fish of the genus Bathymicrops, so named because of it's almost small and vestigal eyes and short anal fins. It's species name is brevianalis, which means "short anus".

Created by Chris.sherlock (talk). Self-nominated at 20:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

Ana Lucrecia Taglioretti

  • ... that Paraguayan violinist Ana Lucrecia Taglioretti was invited by Carlos Vives to play on stage with him after she tried to sneak into his concert without a ticket? Source: "La joven ni siquiera sabía si podría entrar al concierto (no tenía entrada), y como fue reconocida por uno de los integrantes de la productora G5, no solo pudo ingresar al predio, sino que logró entrar al camerino, conocer a Vives, y luego, tocar con él La Tierra del olvido en lo que fue el momento más emotivo del concierto. “Al verme portar el violín, me invitó a tocar con él antes de que yo se lo pidiera. Hoy creo que todo es posible”, señala emocionada." [43]
  • Reviewed: Semisimple representation
  • Comment: May nom as ITN/RD, but the hook is so interesting I think we'd rather DYK this article :)

Created by Jamez42 (talk) and Kingsif (talk). Nominated by Kingsif (talk) at 22:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article meets conditions for DYK. Jamez42 (talk) 22:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks Jamez, but you can't review an article you've made, I don't think :) Kingsif (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Ah, I think you're right, I forgot about that, thank you. For some reason I thought that when the nomination was done by another editor or it has been expanded since its creation it was alright to show this support, but I'll strike the comment just in case. Jamez42 (talk) 15:17, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: This just went up at ITN/RD after Jamez nominated it, is it still eligible? Kingsif (talk) 00:51, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Kingsif, I'm happy to say it is still eligible. The Recent Deaths section does not count for the purposes of DYK; only bold links in the main ITN blurb listings counts. (Similarly, the born/died links at the bottom of OTD don't count for DYK, just the main OTD blurb bold links do.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Henry Eastburn

  • ... that Henry Eastburn studied under his uncle, John Smeaton, before undertaking his own civil engineering projects such as the Basingstoke Canal? "[Eastburn] became an apprentice or pupil of Smeaton in 1768" (Skempton, 2002, p203); "Henry Eastburn [...] was nephew to John Smeaton" (Royal Society, undated, "Windmill, Sykefield"); "Eastburn's first big job came in [1790] when he was appointed resident engineer on the Basingstoke Canal" (Skempton, 2002, p203)

Created by MIDI (talk). Self-nominated at 12:43, 13 January 2020 (UTC).

That's the Woman I Want

A still frame from That's the Woman I Want
A still frame from That's the Woman I Want
  • ... that the 1950 Venezuelan film That's the Woman I Want (frame shown) was Argentine Juan Carlos Thorry's directorial debut? In Colmenares 2005, p. 37 or this obituary, both Spanish
    • ALT1:... that the 1950 Venezuelan film That's the Woman I Want (frame shown) used classic Hollywood techniques in its storytelling and marketing? Several sources, particularly Colmenares 2009, pp. 86, 89 and Azuaga García 2015, p. 82 (both Spanish)
  • Reviewed: Du Ruiqing
  • Comment: I think alt0 is interesting because it's a different country, but there's also other details to it if a reviewer thinks any specific part of the story (in Production section of article) would be more interesting than that. As always, hook suggestions appreciated!

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 03:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg While ALT0 could potentially work, it wouldn't really be that eye-catching of a hook since the Venezuela/Argentina connection could easily be missed. Instead, it might be a better idea to focus on ALT1; however, it might be a bit too vague (by what exactly does it mean by "classic Hollywood techniques"?), so clarification on that end might be needed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, but it might take up too much space? Or perhaps Alt1a - I'd have to look through the sources again, but one of them explicitly says that there are no jokes and it relies on the implicit forms, supposedly taken from Hollywood, to be a comedy, which might also be something to have?
Or maybe a hook about how Thorry was effectively bored so he made a film in a few months? Kingsif (talk) 21:32, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
I actually like ALT1a, but the article suggests that the film using dramatic irony is an analysis from much later, and wasn't a contemporary report. If it can't work out, a possible alternative hook could be how he actually came to Venezuela to act and not to direct; I'm not sure where the "effectively bored" part comes from since it doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:03, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
How about Alt2 (also added a humorous alt3) then? Kingsif (talk) 00:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
ALT3 sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 14[edit]

Teno Roncalio

  • ... that Teno Roncalio, the last Democratic Representative from Wyoming, had the ceremonial role of giving John F. Kennedy the minimum amount of delegate votes needed to win the nomination? [1]

5x expanded by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg WP:DYKCHECK throws up an error (presumably because of time elapsed) but differences in prose size if from 2,020 (5 Jan) to 10,873 (13 Jan). I prefer your ALT1, though a couple of (easy) fixes are needed. Citations are required for:

  1. "...was later awarded a Silver Star for gallantry in the Normandy invasion on Omaha Beach."
  2. "In 1976 he received his best electoral performance and easily defeated Larry J. Hart in a landslide."
  3. "...Roncalio would later support the 26th amendment when he returned to the House of Representatives in 1971"

I think that even though the hook is <200 chars, it's a bit wordy. The source doesn't mention Snake River Canyon as far as I can see, so a mention of just Snake River may suffice. May I propose:

  • Hey @MIDI: I made the edits to the article that you requested and I like your version of the hook. Jon698 (talk) 4:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Bradlee, Ben (May 31, 2011). "A Good Life". Simon and Schuster. p. 198 – via Google Books.
  2. ^ "Teno's gold land said worth $7 billion". The Billings Gazette. 6 October 1972. p. 5. Archived from the original on 13 January 2020 – via Newspapers.com.

Callaghan MacCarty, 3rd Earl of Clancarty

  • ... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a Catholic monk in France and converted to Protestantism to become the third Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
    • ALT1:... that Callaghan MacCarty converted from Catholicism to Protestantism in order to become Earl of Clancarty, but died a Catholic? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ...", Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 9: "... he d. 'out of the communion of the Church of England.'"
    • ALT2:... that Callaghan MacCarty left his life as a Catholic monk in France to become the third Earl of Clancarty? Cokayne 1913, p. 216, line 7: "He was formerly monk in France, but, on his accession to the title, conformed to the established religion ..."
  • Reviewed: As I have less than 5 DYK's, I am opting not to review.

Converted from a redirect by Johannes Schade (talk). Nominated by CaptainEek (talk) at 00:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Review in progress. ミラP 17:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Although this was converted into a redirect the day before nom, has 3673 b of prose, and there are hooks interesting, the hooks barely fail WP:POSA and, most importantly, article has sourcing gaps and I'm not sure if the timeline is encyclopedic. Can somebody help CaptainEek and Johannes Schade fix them? ミラP 18:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Zhu Yuli

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 05:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC).

Action at Sihayo's Kraal

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 23:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

Rune Naito

  • ... that artist and illustrator Rune Naito is credited with pioneering the culture and aesthetic of kawaii? Source: Asahi Shimbun
    • ALT1:... that artist and illustrator Rune Naito, credited with pioneering the culture and aesthetic of kawaii, also contributed erotic illustrations to Japanese gay men's magazines? Source: Asahi Shimbun
  • Reviewed: Leslie Schwartz
  • Comment: Many other potential hooks if these aren't adequate; Naito is a fascinating figure who is largely a complete unknown in the west.

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 15[edit]

Brewer (John Updike)

  • ... that Brewer, the fictional Pennsylvania city in John Updike's Rabbit novels, reflects the changes that occur in America in American from 1959 to the 1980s and beyond?
    • ALT1:... that Brewer, the fictional Pennsylvania city in John Updike's Rabbit novels, symbolizes a typical middle-class American town, as well commercial materialism and American capitalism?
  • Reviewed: Carnegie Building (Atlanta)
  • Comment: PLEASE NOTE that this article is currently nominated for deletion; the 5x expansion is the result of edits and additions I made to the article in response to that AFD. So obviously, this DYK cannot be approved until after that AFD discussion is resolved, but I wanted to nominate it now to ensure that I don't miss the deadline. If the AFD results in the article's deletion, I'll obviously withdraw this DYK nomination. If it does not and the article is kept, then I believe the DYK can advance at that time...

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg As described above, nomination on hold till the outcome of the AFD. Cowlibob (talk) 11:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Roy Wilkins Park

  • ... that Roy Wilkins Park, built on the site of a hospital, was initially maintained by a private organization because the New York City government did not have funds? Source: NY Times 1985
    • ALT1:... that New York City's Roy Wilkins Park, formerly part of a hospital, was created to help the majority-black populations of the surrounding areas? Source: NY Times 1993

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 03:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC).

Danzen! Futari wa Pretty Cure

Created by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 17:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

Jean Delumeau

  • Reviewed: Coming soon
  • Comment: A failed ITN nominee that's going here instead. Prose expanded from 605 to 3438 B = 5.68x times.

5x expanded by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 03:22, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 16[edit]

Heejung Kim

Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel (talk). Self-nominated at 17:24, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

Karim Vahed

Created by Cisca85 (talk). Nominated by Achaea (talk) at 20:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

Sunrise, Inverness Copse

Sunrise, Inverness Copse
Sunrise, Inverness Copse
  • Reviewed: V. S. Lelchuk
  • Comment: As this was featured recently at POTD, I would understand if the picture was not used for the DYK, but I've included it here in case approvers want to use it. I asked whether running a previous POTD was permitted under DYK rules, and was told here that it was not against the rules.

Created by Amakuru (talk). Self-nominated at 20:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 17[edit]

I Sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter

Created/expanded by Sandstein (talk). Self-nominated at 09:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

Rooks Nest House

Rooks Nest House
Rooks Nest House

Converted from a redirect by Thoughtfortheday (talk) and AnemoneProjectors (talk). Nominated by AnemoneProjectors (talk) at 18:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

Gusen concentration camp

Gusen concentration camp
Gusen concentration camp
  • ... that the life expectancy at Gusen concentration camp (pictured) was as short as six months? Source: "Life expectancy in the period 1940–1 was about six months from the date of arrival," (Pike 2003, p. 92)
    • ALT1:... that Austrian schoolchildren walked past Gusen concentration camp (pictured) and witnessed the killings that took place there? Source: "Santiago Raga, who worked on the construction of the wall, saw Austrian children passing every morning on their way to school. They were eyewitnesses to the daily crimes. Never once did Raga see a child or anyone else stop or show the slightest emotion or the smallest sign of indignation at the sight of prisoners mercilessly beaten or electrocuted on the wire." (Pike 2003, p. 91) Note: it is a verifiable fact that Gusen is located on the road between two Austrian villages and initially there was only a see-through barbed wire fence (Waite 2009, p. 919–920)

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 16:27, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

A1206 road (Great Britain)

A1206 Blue Bridge
A1206 Blue Bridge
  • ... that the A1206 bridge over the West India Docks (pictured) is the sixth to be built? Source: "The alignment then runs in close proximity to the Blue Bridge carrying Prestons Road over the entrance lock ... the sixth bridge to be built on the site" (Jubilee Line Extension: From Concept to Completion, Bob Mitchell, Thomas Telford 2003 p.83)

5x expanded by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Not quite. It should be ALT0b: that the A1206 bridge (pictured) is the sixth to be built over the West India Docks entrance? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:27, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

The Way of the Househusband

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC).

Bowne Park

Bowne Park
Bowne Park
  • ... that during a renovation of New York City's Bowne Park (pictured), some fish from its pond were stored in refrigerators of nearby homes? Source: NY Times 1973

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 17 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Doing... -Nizil (talk) 05:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Epicgenius: New, long enough, neutral, cited, no copyvio detected, both hooks are interesting and less than 200, QPQ done. Thanks for creating it and DYK. The first hook gives impression that fishes from pond were stored in refrigerator for some later purpose but I understand from the reference that they were not stored for some later purpose but captured by locals for consumption. That hook is interesting but misleading IMO. From article: During this restoration, some of Bowne Pond's fish were relocated in Flushing Meadows–Corona Park, while others were stored in refrigerators at nearby homes. gives impression that they were stored by officials for some use. I suggest to use "ended up" instead of "stored". What do you say? Regards,-Nizil (talk) 06:10, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Nizil Shah: Thanks for the review. However, they were not captured for consumption, but were actually temporarily stored in the fridges until the pond could be cleaned, then put back in the pond. epicgenius (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Nizil Shah: Actually looking at the source again, I guess we can go with your hook. I misread the source. epicgenius (talk) 15:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius:, can you propose reworded ALT0 hook? Please do corrections in article accordingly as well. -Nizil (talk) 04:58, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
  • @Nizil Shah: I already fixed the article. How about this:
    • ALT2 ... that during a renovation of New York City's Bowne Park (pictured), some fish from its pond were stored in refrigerators of nearby homes? epicgenius (talk) 14:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
@Epicgenius:, Well ALT2 is not different from ALT0 (original hook). I would suggest ended up instead of stored because above mentioned issue. -Nizil (talk) 07:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
You have changed "stored" with "moved to" in the article which also not true. They were not stored/moved to refrigerator of nearby homes but they "ended up" (captured by people living nearby for consumption) in refrigerators of nearby homes. Stored/moved makes impression that they were legally stored/moved for later reintroduction in the lake. The reference clearly tells that people did that because of high meat prices. From ref: Mayor said:... “I understand that some of you have some of these fish for dinner. In view of what's happening to meat prices, we'll understand that.” Current text is misleading IMO. -Nizil (talk) 07:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: OK. Why not going with this:
  • ALT3 ... that during a renovation of New York City's Bowne Park (pictured), some fish from its pond ended up in refrigerators of nearby homes?
I really don't see the problem in "moved"/"stored to", as this is a minor nuance. epicgenius (talk) 12:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Kaanum Pongal

  • ... that Kaanum Pongal is the fourth and last day of the Hindu festival Pongal? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that Kaanum Pongal is often acknowledged as Thiruvalluvar Day in remembrance of the Tamil philosopher? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Abishe (talk). Self-nominated at 03:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size, refs, neutrality, hook, copyvio check, all GTG. Would be nice to have better refs but I know this type of folklore can have almost nothing written about it in English. Waiting to hear confirmation that QPQ review is not needed.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 18[edit]

Bleach: Brave Souls

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 20:24, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

WETV (Florida)

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 19:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

Inez Catalon

  • ... that during her final performance at the 1994 New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, Louisiana Creole singer Inez Catalon lectured female audience members for dressing immodestly? Source: "After a delightful Jazz Fest set this year that included both a cappella French ballads and a lecture to the women in the room about dressing immodestly ..." ([47])
    • ALT1:... that when told that her time had run out during her performance at the 1994 New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, Louisiana Creole singer Inez Catalon flipped the hem of her ankle-length dress at the audience? Source: "... Creole singer Inez Catalon was informed that her allotted time had run out. She responded with one last gesture: staring straight ahead, she took her ankle-length dress in hand and flipped the hem at the audience." ([48])
  • Reviewed: My first DYK, hence no QPQ

Created by NOLA1982 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

List of endangered and threatened animals and plants of Illinois

Created by NessieVL (talk). Self-nominated at 05:27, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg - I don't like the first one, as it's very wordy. The second seems suitibly hooky to me. QPQ done, long enough, no copyvio found. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 17:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Gasklockan, Gothenburg

Gasklockan
Gasklockan
  • Reviewed: My first DYK, hence no QPQ
  • Comment: I'm new to DYK, but I think this hook or a variation upon it would be the best. Another possibility would be commenting on the very long time it took for it to get demolished. Created by Trialpears (talk). Self-nominated at 23:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Sanjay Gupta (business executive)

  • ... that Sanjay Gupta, the country manager of Google India, studied mechanical engineering from the Delhi College of Engineering? Source: "Gupta pursued Bachelor of Engineering in mechanical engineering from the Delhi College of Engineering (now known as Delhi Technological University)" [51]

Created by Bharatiya29 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:19, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Borgo Nuovo (Rome)

Partial view of the road, 1930 ca.
Partial view of the road, 1930 ca.
  • ... that the road of Borgo Nuovo (pictured) in Rome was demolished between 1936 and 1937 because of the construction of Via della Conciliazione? Source: "Il 29 Ottobre (1936) Mussolini dette inizio ai lavori di demolizione della Spina, che fu completamente abbattuta entro l'8 Ottobre del 1937" (Gigli (1990), p.33)
  • ALT1: ... that Raphael died in 1520 in his palace in Borgo Nuovo road (pictured) in Rome? Source: "Alla morte dell'artista, che qui trascorse gli ultimi anni della sua vita..." (Gigli (1992), p. 46)
  • ALT2: ... that the newly built road of Borgo Nuovo (pictured) in Rome remained unpaved since there took place men and animal races, both favorite entertainments of the pope? Source: "la strada rimase in terra battuta...per farvi passare ...le corse di uomini, cavalli, bufali e asini, delle quali il papa era grandemente appassionato" (Gigli (1990), p. 25)
  • Reviewed: I will do the QPQ asap

Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:00, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Diether Dehm

Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

SS Sardinia (1888)

  • ... that over 100 Moroccan Hajj pilgrims died on the SS Sardinia when it caught fire off Malta in 1908? Source: "On her last voyage, which ended on 25 November 1908, the Sardinia was carrying 39 crew, 12 saloon (i.e. first class) passengers and 142 steerage, who were all Moslem Moroccans travelling to the city of Mecca. ... more than 100 Arab passengers had perished" (The Malta Independent)
    • ALT1:... that the SS Sardinia fire of 1908 has been compared to the loss of the Titanic since most of its lower class passengers died in the disaster? Source: "the sinking of the SS Sardinia in 1908, just beyond the Grand Harbour of Valletta, may be considered the Titanic's Maltese counterpart... most of the Arabs below deck had either perished because of the explosion or drowned in the ensuing sinking. Their sad loss would tragically resemble the sad fate of most of the 3rd class passengers of the Titanic, less than four years later." (The Malta Independent)

Created by Xwejnusgozo (talk). Self-nominated at 17:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Brendan Kavanagh

Created/expanded by Crum375 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Past Cure

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 13:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 19[edit]

Steven Anderson (pastor)

Steven Anderson preaching a sermon on the post-tribulation rapture, a core doctrine of his church, on April 30, 2017
Steven Anderson preaching a sermon on the post-tribulation rapture, a core doctrine of his church, on April 30, 2017

Created by PCHS-NJROTC (talk). Self-nominated at 20:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

The Baseball Encyclopedia

Created by Giants2008 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

List of presidents of the University of Kentucky

Moved to mainspace by Amatheur (talk). Self-nominated at 19:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Amatheur, this article is looking good but the first and last paragraphs appear to have no citations? - Dumelow (talk) 09:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Will fix promptly. Thanks! Amatheur (talk) 18:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Sourced the first paragraph. The last paragraph is just a summary of information from the list (and sourced there) so I don't think it needs its own sources. If it does, I'll get on that right away. Thanks. Amatheur (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 20[edit]

Mollie Hughes

  • ... that Mollie Hughes is the youngest woman to ski to the South Pole? Source: "An Edinburgh adventurer has become the youngest woman to ski solo to the South Pole. Mollie Hughes, 29, skied for 58.5 days pulling all her food in a sledge during her lone trek across Antarctica." ([55])

Created by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

Kapoli Kamakau

Kapoli Kamakau
Kapoli Kamakau
  • ... that Kapoli Kamakau (pictured) taught leprosy patients how to sing and play the organ?
    • ALT1:... that Kapoli Kamakau (pictured) who composed music with a queen and princess later contracted leprosy and died in exile?

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 20:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

2001 International Formula 3000 Championship

5x expanded by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

2020 Masters (snooker)

Created by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 17:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The article is well written and sourced; the hook is brilliant and accurately cited to BBC Sport. Unfortunately, it's a year old, which disqualifies it for DYK. Sorry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:44, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Edwin S. Votey, Farrand & Votey Organ Company, William R. Farrand

Votey + 1st player piano
Votey + 1st player piano
  • ... that Edwin S. Votey (pictured with 1st player piano), while president of the Farrand & Votey Organ Company with William R. Farrand as the other owner in the partnership firm, invented the first practical player piano that played complete musical performances by means of perforated paper rolls of punched out holes programmed for music? Source 1 Source 2
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC).

Hack Fall Wood

Hack Fall Wood by Turner
Hack Fall Wood by Turner

Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 13:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

  • Added image of lemon slug for ALT1
    Lemon slug

Swanage Town Hall

Façade of Swanage Town Hall
Façade of Swanage Town Hall
  • ... that the façade of Swanage Town Hall (pictured) was salvaged from London's 17th-century Mercers' Hall? "George Burt is famous for bringing features of Old London to Swanage. These can be seen at Purbeck House Hotel, Durlston Country Park and the Town Hall. ... The centre of the Town Hall façade was designed by Edward Jerman, a pupil of Sir Christopher Wren who also designed the second Royal Exchange. It was originally constructed for the Mercers’ Hall on Cheapside in 1670. The Mercers’ Company was one of the richest of the London guilds and remains in existence today. It is finely carved and over the main doorway can be seen the Virgin Mary with a cherub on each side which was the emblem of the Mercers’ Company. "
    • ALT1:... that "if ever a book comes to be written on How to Murder Architecture, the Swanage Town Hall (pictured) should find a place therein"? "One critic in the 1930s condemned the way in which the Mercers’ frontage had been re-set in two wings which were ‘positively dreadful’ and concluded that ‘if ever a book comes to be written on ‘How to murder Architecture’, the Swanage Town Hall should find a place therein’." from "The History of Swanage Town Hall". Swanage Town Council. Retrieved 17 January 2020.
    • ALT2:... that the incorporation of part of the 17th-century Mercers' Hall into Swanage Town Hall was described as "positively dreadful"?"One critic in the 1930s condemned the way in which the Mercers’ frontage had been re-set in two wings which were ‘positively dreadful’ and concluded that ‘if ever a book comes to be written on ‘How to murder Architecture’, the Swanage Town Hall should find a place therein’." from "The History of Swanage Town Hall". Swanage Town Council. Retrieved 17 January 2020.
    • ALT3:... that the Swanage Town Hall featured in the 1978 BBC production of The Mayor of Casterbridge?"In 1977 it was filmed as part of the BBC’s production of Thomas Hardy’s Mayor of Casterbridge." [filmed in 1977, the series aired in 1978] from "The History of Swanage Town Hall". Swanage Town Council. Retrieved 17 January 2020.

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