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info 2[edit]

June 29

  • #REDIRECT [[xxx#xxx]]


[[Category:Organizations based in Europe by dependent territory and subject|xxx]]

[[Category:Organizations by dependent territory and subject|xxx]]

[[Category:Organizations based in xxx| Subject]]

all included manmade:

  • {{Allincluded|this category name|this category content}}
  • {{Container cat}}

all included natural:

  • {{Allincluded|category name|this category content}}
  • {{Container cat}}

non-diffusing: this is to be paired with all included above

  • {{Non-diffusing subcategory|higher category name|higher category content}}
  • {{Container cat}}

nothing in MOS says to use the following:

TOC without numbers

  • {{Category TOC|numerals=no}}

Default sort

  • {{DEFAULTSORT:xxx}}

Container category

  • {{Container cat}}

Maintenance note[edit]

I maintain this page by deleting items after a week or two or more. Hmains (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


[[Category:Landforms of xxx Province]]

[[Category:Rivers of Argentina by province|xxx]]

{{Non-diffusing subcategory|(name of cat)|(1st part of cat name)}}


You may wish to make use of a 'Dates' tab in edit mode that will help with unlinking unnecessary date links. Simply copy the entire contents of User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to your own monobook. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache (i.e. press Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, or Ctrl-F5 in IE) before it will work. It also provides a 'Units' tab. If you know what you are doing, you can copy and modify the subfiles as you wish. I just thought you might be interested. Regards. bobblewik 20:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

The reason it fails is because you refer to User:Hmains/monobook.js/dates.js and User:Hmains/monobook.js/unitformatter.js and these articles do not exist. You have two options:
Try again. I am happy to walk you through the process. So feel free to ask me again. bobblewik 12:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


Deep web talk:WikiProject Categories

for list filter:

January|February|March|April|May|June|July|August|September|October|November|December|Year|MCD|MCC|List of state leaders in

to create a 2 up



how to use wild card in 'skip text contains/doesn't contain box'

\[\[Category\:National Register of Historic Places in [^\]]+ County, Arkansas\]\]

\[\[Category\:National Register of Historic Places in [^\]]+, Arkansas\]\]

Deep web:Categorization Deep web:Categories, lists, and series boxes Template:Americans WP:BLPCAT WP:LISTPEOPLE

  • 12 to 12 handled by find/replace table; not by module

public public

to fix

to avoid disambiguation pages use: |{{.*dis}}

etc. Plantations plantation

plantation house

Plantation complexes in the Southern United States





  • to auto fill edit summary: "I haven't found a way to get autocomplete in IE at https with the current setup on Deep web's side. If http is acceptable to you then you can disable "Always use a secure connection when logged in" at Special:Preferences, log out, close IE, start IE again and log in at PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2013 (UTC)"

it may also be necessary to force the WP address to be http: instead of https:


Reviewer Right Granted[edit]

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Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, is currently undergoing a two-month trial scheduled to end 15 August 2010.

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If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. The Helpful One 17:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


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Hi Hmains, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Deep web:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! — ξxplicit 21:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC)




^ Typographical, or curly, quotation marks and apostrophes might be read more efficiently, and many think they look better. However, for practical reasons the straight versions are used on the English Deep web:

Consistency keeps searches predictable. Though most browsers do not distinguish between curly and straight marks, Internet Explorer still does (as of 2016), so that a search for Alzheimer's disease will fail to find Alzheimer’s disease and vice versa.

Straight quotation marks are easier to type reliably on most platforms.

MediaWiki's use of series of single quotes to create italics and boldface makes using these features complicated and error-prone for content that begins or ends with apostrophes.

Linking Dates (centuries, decades, years, months, days, etc)[edit]


As always, the content of the linked-to article must provide substantive content to the linked-from article. The MOS decided most dates do not do this. Hmains (talk) 03:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

what links here

  • filter by name: (used where?)

calendar|day|week|month|year|decade|century|millennium|Showa|Shōwa|Meiji|Taisho|Taishō| in |Other events|(number)|(disambiguation)|Aught-|SO 8601|Timeline|acronyms|initialisms

  • skip: used in bot

{{Decadebox|{{Year dab|{{Year nav|{{Month header}}|{{Day}}|Category:Days of the year|{{Portal:Current events/Events by month}}|{{Portal:Current events/Month Inclusion|{{Months in the|Eastern Orthodox liturgical days|#REDIRECT|{{disambig}}|{{disambiguation}}|to disambiguation page|{{events by month links}}|month category|Month of the|The following events occurred in|{{Millenniumbox|{{Centurybox|This page indexes the individual|February 30|January 0|Calendars|title=September 11 attacks|numberdis|{{00sbox|{{.*dis}}-|{{GOCEinuse}}|{{In use}}|{{Under construction}}

  • filter: to skip article names with these words

s in |9 in |8 in |7 in |6 in |5 in |4 in |3 in |2 in |1 in |0 in |in Wales|calendar|day|week|month|year|decade|century|millennium|Showa|Shōwa|Meiji|Taisho|Taishō|Other events|(number)|(disambiguation)|Aught-|SO 8601|Timeline|acronyms|initialisms|September 11 attacks|Fons memorabilium universi|List of millennia

avoiding delinks[edit]

5 April 2020 can be used to avoid future delinking of dates. For example, 2012 → 2012 2010s → 2010s 21st century → 21st century Friday → Friday June → June (l, ldmy or lmdy also work) June 2012 → June 2012 (l, ldmy or lmdy also work) 29 June → 29 June (l or ldmy also work) June 29 → June 29 (lmdy also works) 29 June 2012 → 29 June 2012 June 29, 2012 → June 29, 2012 29 June 2012 → 29 June 2012 (l also works) June 29, 2012 → June 29, 2012

Web page has expired[edit]

I follow the directions in the message shown on the screen.

"Click on the Refresh button on the toolbar to reload the page. After refreshing, you might need to navigate to the specific webpage again, or re-enter information."

On my computer I have to remember that "refresh" looks like a circle with an arrow at the top, and it's the fourth of five icons to the right of the URL. I don't even know what the others are. Then a box pops up and I have to click on "retry".— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


Since you are very active in the project, would you like to be an administrator? Do you need tools to move/delete pages for example? Are you active in WP space, involved in xFDs or something similar? -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll second Magioladitis here. I think you'd do fantastic as an administrator. The choice is entirely yours, but just know that should you ever submit an RfA, you'll have my support. Kurtis (talk) 03:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks to you both, but I think I would lose interest in WP doing admin things. Hmains (talk) 03:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Understandable. Do whatever you feel comfortable doing, it's not my place to pressure you.
But in the off chance that you ever change your mind, know that I would feel confident in entrusting you with the tools. =) Kurtis (talk) 04:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


  • The delinking of dates was exhaustively discussed by WP prior to the current wording of WP:DATELINK and WP:YEARLINK and MOS:UNLINKDATES being agreed upon. Days, months, years, decades, centuries, etc were all included in the long discussion.



Mitch Ames




Merry Christmas and Happy New Year[edit]

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Hello Hmains, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Meatsgains(talk) 01:40, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Delinking centuries[edit]

Hmains, please stop delinking centuries like 19th century as you did at Penmachno quarry and many other articles. None of the guidelines you quote apply to centuries, they are all specific to months and years. Thank you, The Mirror Cracked (talk) 23:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Sorry, but your argument was specifically rejected when the MOS was written as it is--which I had no part of. See WP:DATELINK, WP:YEARLINK and MOS:UNLINKYEARS and the its talk page where you can discuss such matters. Thanks. Hmains (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Can you point me to the specific guideline which supports you removing the links to centuries, since the ones you are using in your edit summaries explicitly do not support it. I wen through the MOS talk page archives and could not find the discussion you reference. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 23:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Please this up with the MOS dates talk page; maybe they can explain why they chose not to put such language in the MOS even while saying in old, old discussions that 'dates' means all manner and form of dates. Hmains (talk) 23:44, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but you are the one making mass changes to articles without support in the guidelines, so the burden is on you to clarify your edits. You should revert your changes and seek a consensus on the MOS talk pages. Otherwise this looks a great deal like disrupting Deep web to make a point. Thank you, The Mirror Cracked (talk) 23:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
I will check further. Even though I have an approved BOT to perform all such delinking (see BOT section above), I am working manually to exercise more control over the changes. Also, be careful about reverts. Another editor was just banned for, among other things, making just such date reverts. Hmains (talk) 00:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
  • User:The Mirror Cracked – MOSLINK is quite clear about not linking chronological terms. If you want to make a special justification in that article, use the talkpage. But the default is followed by both manual and automatic editing. Tony (talk) 00:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
@Tony: can you show me where it says that? Deep web:Manual of Style/Linking#Chronological items says: "Month-and-day articles and year articles should not be linked unless the linked date or year has a significant connection to the subject of the linking article". As far as I can see it does not mention centuries and the section is actually not called "Chronological items" (despite the anchor) it is called "Linking month-and-day or year" which seems to very specifically limit the scope of that guideline to months and years, not other chronological items. If the intent is to include centuries, it would be useful to mention them and change the header. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 01:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I keep forgetting to raise this there. Doug Weller talk 21:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Rivers per country[edit]

Hi, I see you've added country categories to a number of river articles, which are already categorised per the most relevant lower-level administrative unit. For example here, the river was already included in Category:Rivers of Balochistan (Pakistan), and Category:Rivers of Pakistan is a parent of that so I would have thought there was no need to add it individually. Or is there some reason to treat the "Rivers in X" categories as non-diffusing? – Uanfala (talk) 12:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Category:Rivers of Pakistan is now marked as an 'all included' category. Yes, the reason is so there is one place that readers can to go to find ALL the rivers of a county in A/N order. This is very different from having to go through multiple lower level categories to find things. Different navigation avenues for users with different needs. Thanks Hmains (talk) 03:43, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Rivers of Indonesia[edit]

Hi Hmains. I noticed you're adding Rivers of Indonesia category to the articles on rivers that are already categorized in its subcategories. I assume your aim is for readers to be able to find all the rivers under one category. However, my understanding is that, unlike e.g. German Deep web, we're striving to avoid the large parent categories as much as possible here, whenever the subcategories exist. The same scheme works with other countries as well, e.g. we don't add all rivers from Rivers of North Carolina cat to the parent Rivers of the United States. The same for other large countries.--Darwinek (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, that is my aim and it is allowed under the All Included section of the MOS and is done already with other countries, including various ones that I have not worked on. I don't know anything about other WP. Hmains (talk) 19:37, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
WP:SUPERCAT is fairly clear that an article shouldn't be put in multiple levels of a category hierarchy, so I think your policy is at best unusual:
In Wikimedia Commons I worked on categorisation of Rivers of England (which had "Rivers of county X" subcategories and contained nothing referring to individual rivers); the solution there was to create a separate national category Rivers of England by name, so River Kennet was a subcategory of Rivers of Berkshire, Rivers of Wiltshire and Rivers of England by name, but not of Rivers of England. Dave.Dunford (talk) 11:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
I appreciate your comments but on the specific suggestion of creating categories of the pattern Category:xxx by name does not seem to have any precedent in En:WP. I would be wary of personally starting. Thanks Hmains (talk) 03:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Hmains, your approach here is unusual. I think that before making any more mass recategorisations or marking any more categories as non-diffusing, you should get consensus for these changes. Suitable places include Deep web talk:WikiProject Rivers and Deep web talk:Categorization. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Good ideas all. Thanks Hmains (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year![edit]

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George Bellows, North River (1908), Pennsylvania Academy of the Fine Arts.
Best wishes for a healthy and prosperous 2020.
Thank you for your contributions toward making Deep web a better and more accurate place.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Former populated places in Johnson County, Kansas[edit]

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2018 Kemerovo fire[edit]

Hi. I wanted to ask why you removed Category:Building and structure fires from 2018 Kemerovo fire in this edit? Debresser (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Because this article is in Category:Department store fires, a sub-sub category of Category:Building and structure fires, so leaving it also in Category:Building and structure fires would not match the WP:SUPERCAT requirements. Thanks Hmains (talk) 18:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Understood. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 01:56, 5 April 2020 (UTC)